YES, EVOLUTION STILL HAS UNANSWERED QUESTIONS; THAT'S HOW SCIENCE IS

WSJ ^ | June 3, 2005 | Sharon Begley

[js1138]

As I asked a previous poster: So you think no one had life, liberty or the pursuit of happiness before 1776?

Name the Christian ruler who institutionalized individual liberty under the law.

[HitmanLV]

Why is this issue so important to so many people on both sides of it? I just don't get that.

[js1138]

Were you a slave when called? Do not be concerned about it.

Find the Bible passage that says slavery is evil. Find the commandment that requires slave owners to free their slaves.

[WildTurkey]

IOW, if I gather up a committee of the brightest minds & put them to the task, they'll be able to create a life, built on a better model?

IOWs, you did not understand my post.

[PatrickHenry]

... me and my friend Billy-bob are down her at the Saw-mill, and we wuz on break, and we have a really tough question for you and your Evilootionist pals...

Oh yeah!

[PatrickHenry]

And do you mind tellin' me how one a them little ameebers one day turns inta a man?

Well, ya need a really ambitious ameeber ...

[PetroniusMaximus]

***Find the Bible passage that says slavery is evil. ***

Come on! The whole Bible is about the release of slaves from bondage - both spiritual and physical.


"During those many days the king of Egypt died, and the people of Israel groaned because of their slavery and cried out for help. Their cry for rescue from slavery came up to God. And God heard their groaning, and God remembered his covenant with Abraham, with Isaac, and with Jacob. God saw the people of Israel--and God knew... Moreover, I [God] have heard the groaning of the people of Israel whom the Egyptians hold as slaves, and I have remembered my covenant. Say therefore to the people of Israel, 'I am the LORD, and I will bring you out from under the burdens of the Egyptians, and I will deliver you from slavery to them, and I will redeem you with an outstretched arm and with great acts of judgment."

Exodus 1:13
So they ruthlessly made the people of Israel work as slaves

Exodus 2:23
[ God Hears Israel's Groaning ] During those many days the king of Egypt died, and the people of Israel groaned because of their slavery and cried out for help. Their cry for rescue from slavery came up to God.

Exodus 13:14
And when in time to come your son asks you, 'What does this mean?' you shall say to him, 'By a strong hand the LORD brought us out of Egypt, from the house of slavery.










*** Find the commandment that requires slave owners to free their slaves.***

"Now these are the rules that you shall set before them. When you buy a Hebrew slave, he shall serve six years, and in the seventh he shall go out free, for nothing.

Exodus 21:26
"When a man strikes the eye of his slave, male or female, and destroys it, he shall let the slave go free because of his eye.

Leviticus 25:39
"If your brother becomes poor beside you and sells himself to you, you shall not make him serve as a slave:

Leviticus 25:42
For they are my servants, whom I brought out of the land of Egypt; they shall not be sold as slaves.

Leviticus 26:13
I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that you should not be their slaves. And I have broken the bars of your yoke and made you walk erect.

[Dimensio]

"Survival of the fittest" is a tautology. It predicts an undefined winner which can only be identified by the outcome of the competition in which the competitor is engaged.It can only descibe effect ,not outcome.

Which is why no credible scientist uses the term "survival of the fittest" as a prediction. Do you have an argument that isn't a strawman?

[Dimensio]

Athiesm and secular humanism are religions ( Torcaso v. Watkins).

A number of people quote the dicta of the legal decision as "proof" that Secular Humanism is a recognized religion, even though dicta has absolutely no legal prescedence whatsoever, but to claim that the decision also established atheism as a religion?

No wonder you made that "Survival of the fittest" argument. There's no bogus claim you won't grasp.

[Dimensio]

Evolution, Eugenics, Socialism.

Christianity, theocracy, religious oppression, slavery.

Is this "string together a bunch of unrelated concepts and pretend that we've made an argument" day?

[PetroniusMaximus]

***Name the Christian ruler who institutionalized individual liberty under the law.***

Can you frame question a bit more precisely?

What exactly do you mean by "individual liberty"?

[Dimensio]

For example, evolution is premised on a theory that change occurs over "time." This necessarily requires that "time" remain a constant. Yet, "time" is understood to be a variable. See Einstein theory of "relativity." Thus, where evothiesm "science" that makes a statement involving time, the statement should contain the disclaimer "assuming the variable time remained constant ..." Throw in the concept that effect can precede cause in some cases and evothiesm's essential "science" foundation becomes arguably suspect.

I can't tell if you are really trying to make an argument or if you are spoofing common creationist/ID argument styles by taking a trapping of scientific knowledge that some laypeople might remember after a high school science education left stagnant for ten years and tossing bits and pieces of information -- some properly remembered, most not -- into an attempt to attack a science that the arguer has never studied. Attempting to reference the phenomenon of time dilation (and referencing it quite clumsily) as some kind of argument against the solidity of the theory of evolution is so bizarre and silly that I really can't tell if you're honestly dumb enough to think that you're making a point or just spoofing.

[GoLightly]

A right guaranteed by our laws.

Our laws don't guarantee anything.

It is the laws that are important.

The people governed by those laws put them into action. *Faith* in those laws & in our fellow citizens are much of what is holding our society together.

The alleged religious connection is completely bogus.

You're wrong.

Religion supports monarchy and instructs subjects to obey their kings and slaves to obey their masters.

Religion is not one a single entity. In "Common Sense", Paine argued for revolution out of the book of Kings, from the portion where God warned his people against the folly of earthly kings. Since the dawn of time, God hasn't kept man from the consequences of his own folly.

[GoLightly]

Course I did. I took your idea & ran with it.

[LiteKeeper]

virtually no area of science is free of doubt or debate or gaps in understanding.

such as the origin of the amazing amount of information carried on the DNA.

[RightWingAtheist]

He was also so far left, that he made Linus Pauling look like Robert Millikan. He was an early apologist for the Ayatollah Kohemini and the Iranian hostage-takers.

[Abogado]

Ironically, it was the mystery of the missing socks that helped develop some of the higher sciences. See, there is an observable direct correlation between the decrease in the number of socks run through the dryer and a subsequent increase in the number of coat hangers in the closet. Some smart people observed this phenomena and deduced that somehow the missing socks changed into coat hangers and also traveled through some other medium from the dryer to the closet. From this simple observation developed the impetus behind quantum tunneling, and - you guessed it - string theory. :)

[GoLightly]

Oh crap, you've just blown my faith in the previous sock theory, where all dryers had teleporters to the rings of Saturn.

[WildTurkey]

Why did God give us an eye that pales in comparison to the resolution of the hawk's eye? Why did God not give us wings to fly?

[GoLightly]

I don't know. If you need to know the answer to that, ask Him & maybe He'll tell you.