David Warren: Gaza explained

David Warren Online / Ottawa Citizen ^ | 20 August 2005 | David Warren

[tomahawk]

Mortar Shells Launched From Northern Gaza

01:22 Aug 21, '05 / 16 Av 5765

(IsraelNN.com) Mortar shells launched from northern Palestinian Authority (PA) controlled Gaza landed in the greenhouse area of Kibbutz Netiv Ha’Asarah in the Negev.

Other mortar shell attacks were reported in the Nahal Oz area north of Gaza as well as near N’vei Dekalim in Gush Katif. There were no injuries in any of the attacks.

[anotherview]

See here. Unless I am reading this completely wrong the IDF withdraws from the Philadelphi route and Egyptians take their place.

[FreeReign]

Read Condi's interview with the NYT last week. She called the security wall a "problem" and said that Israel must allow transit between Gaza and the West Bank. I don't make things up. That's what she said.

Yes, you're correct.

Although, the wall still does allow the Pali's to cross at check points several times a day. So transit between Gaza and the West Bank is still possible.

Also, Rice is objecting to segments of the wall that go into the so-called Palistine Territories. I'd love to see a map of where this wall is.

[tomahawk]

The road/route is the physical border. Technically, speaking, I don't think the Egyptians will be in Gaza, but literally on the border between Egypt and Gaza.

[crowman]

Look, stop nit-picking at this early stage....think about it....the exit move WILL draw Egypt and Jordan into the mix, force them to deal with the problem instead of standing aside...And the IDF can re-enter when it feels like it, do some work and leave without having to protect 7,000 settlers....

[trubluolyguy]

It would be interesting to see the Palesinians get their state. Walled off from Israel. How long until it sinks into a morass of famine, starvation and civil war, just like Somalia.

[trubluolyguy]

"Mortar Shells launched from Gaza"


Wow. Shocking.


(sarasm off)

[ScaniaBoy]

The West saw what happened in Beirut, they saw or could have seen the Fatah land in Southern Lebanon from 1970 to 1982. Did that change their position vis-à-vis Israel? No, at least not for the better. The violence, kidnappings and murders in the PA territory has also been on display. Why would the West's reaction to Ghaza be any different?

Any Israeli incusion in Ghaza as a reponse to a mjaor terror attack or rocket barrage from the jihadis will be met by severe criticism from the Euroweenies, State Departement etc.

[FreeReign]

Looks like wall sales are up in Israel.

[Enchante]

"We have no cultural ties to China. Again, such an alliance would be forced on us, never chosen"

Such an 'alliance' with the PRC is pure fantasy, inherently impossible (considering the nature of the PRC's government), whatever the sometimes desperate motivations for Israelis to talk about it. The Butchers of Beijing want Israeli technology, especially military, so they will say pleasant words and hold out hopes of much closer relations -- but they will never give up their growing relationships in the Arab-Muslim world and their rapidly growing energy needs over Israel. The PRC may say lots of nice words to make Israelis think there is potential for some better relationship, but never mistake the fact that they will merely be 'using' Israel so long as it is convenient. Whatever else one may say about the US vis-a-vis Israel, we have borne many risks and financial burdens because enough Americans believe in Israel's people and promise as the only bastion of freedom in that part of the world. The US could have gone the route of most EU nations and cozied up far more to the Islamo-fascists; I think we have been far too sympathetic to the Pali-terrorists as it is (mainly due to our oil dependency), and I would have the US support Israel much more firmly than it does, but don't imagine that there's any potential at all for the PRC to replace the US in any significant way --it will never remotely approach what has existed between the US and Israel.

[McGavin999]

Will it work again?

Yes

Besides, it's much better to have all Israelis within easily defensable borders in case something.....ahem.....happens in Syria.

[robertpaulsen]

"Looks like wall sales are up in Israel."

I hear you. Actually, everywhere but Israel. That Green line always appears west of the wall, don't it?

[American in Israel]

bump

[American in Israel]

Totaly foolish article. To retreat to defensible borders that are only 9 miles wide? And if America has its way contigous with between the Mountains of Jerusalem and Gaza? That is cutting Israel in half, not building a fence.

Last I heard a ladder beats a chain link fence, that is if you mind just climbing the stupid fence. Last thing I also heard is that chain link fences do not stop bullets either.

Nope, this Gaza thing is going to blow up and cause the death of thousands of Jews and everyone knows it. Now what do you think of a leader that goes against the vote of the people, seizes houses from people that were built on land bought and paid for before there even was an Israel, and then causes thousands of his own citizens to die for another useless media statement?

I call it criminal.

Let Sharon give up his hundreds of acres ranch or ride around in city busses instead of his armored limos, then and only then will the man have put his mouth where his money is. As it is now, he is tossings others lives and homes and property down the drain like it is not costing him anything.

Because it doesn;t.

[American in Israel]

Wow, pretty big bank for a river that is only 10 feet wide. Funny how it follows the cease fire line from the Jordanian invasion in 1948. Even more funny that land was ceded to Israel when all the land EAST of the Jordan created TRANS-JORDAN in 1927. It was done to make a home for "All the Arabs in Palestine". This was AFTER Syria was made for "All the Muslims in Palestine" before that. Now they changed the name of Jordan from "Across the Jordan" to just Jordan and want the West Bank too. Cause what do you do with "All the Arabs in Palestine" till there is no room for two people to stand next to an Arab?

Yep, land for peace deals are endless, they will only come to an end when there is one Jew left standing on a postage stamp. Then they will kill him. At least that is what they promise to do.

Western posers like you are the Patsy's they get to do their dirty work. Hows it feel to be a Muslim stooge?

[American in Israel]

Hey, lets not nick pick, the IDF can all go to Borneo and not have to protect 6 million Jews at all. Within a month the blood bath will be over and 1.5 BILLION Arabs will be dancing in the streets.

Then it's Americas turn.

Frankly, if the IDF would fight back instead of playing police man, 7000 citizens would not have been mortared every night during this "cease fire".

Cease fire my ass, what will get the IDF off of its ass if artillery shelling wont? What, mortars don't count if the media wont report it?

[American in Israel]

The Palestinian Authority sank in to a morass of Starvation, famine and civil war when Arafat died. It is just not news worthy because it does not fit the party line of peace in our time. The Arabs down there are trying to survive on less than a thousand dollars a year now that we have "freed them" and put them under Arafat. Before they were getting 80% of what Israeli's earn, but not being required to pay income tax like the 50% STARTING rates of Israeli taxes. When adjusted for taxs, the average Israeli earned $6000 a year to the Arabs $10,000.

But we "fixed" that with Oslo. America is your friend we said, we will give you your own leaders and your own land inside Israel. Then you will be free.

It did not work out the way we promised. So if you wonder why they burn American flags down there, now you know the rest of the story. The story your media will NOT tell you because it is politically incorrect. True, but "incorrect".

[crowman]

What about the position that the move out of Gaza will "call the PLO bluff", show their true nature without having the settlers around to blame... Also, now the settlements in the W. Bank will stay and Jerusalem will not change either...?