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To: Vive ut Vivas
Never mind the fact that speciation has been observed time and time again.

LOL. Textbook example of question begging. This is why evolutionists make no headway with intelligent doubters. You can't do basic rhetorical logic so why should we believe you act rightly in the murky swamps of your obscure scientific venue? The question on the table is not does speciation occur. The question raised by anti-evolutionists is whether it is reasonable to extrapolate these small changes to larger ones. Therefore, your retort "never mind..." is precisely "begging the question."

The reason y'all get nowhere (in addition to a chronic inability to follow the rules of informal logic in discussions) is because you refuse to admit the weaknesses of the theory. I presented one, which on a good day an evolutionist will admit to. If you could demonstrate the evolution of major body organs or larger morphological shifts you would do so. And if you could, it would eliminate the carping of the naysayers. This can not be demonstrated. It is simply not credible to count this lack of demonstrability as a "0" in assessing the strength of your theory. It fails every test of logic.

NOTE: I have not said that the failure to demonstrate "macro" evolution or evolution "B" or whatever you want to call it disproves orthodox evolutionary theory. Did you hear that? It does not disprove it. Unfortunately, most evolution advocates can't grasp distinctions that fine.

But the fact that you can't demonstrate evolution of body types etc. is evidence. It is not supporting evidence. It is a lack of supporting evidence -- you wish you could fill the gap but you can't. The fact that evolutionists refuse to admit this is just as stupid as anything the creationists have ever said. You have fallen to the level of those you hate.

403 posted on 08/22/2005 10:33:00 AM PDT by Rippin
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To: Rippin
But the fact that you can't demonstrate evolution of body types etc. is evidence. It is not supporting evidence. It is a lack of supporting evidence -- you wish you could fill the gap but you can't. The fact that evolutionists refuse to admit this is just as stupid as anything the creationists have ever said. You have fallen to the level of those you hate.

29+ Evidences for Macroevolution. Yes, macro-evolution.
Ichneumon's legendary post 52. More evidence than you can handle.
Post 661: Ichneumon's stunning post on transitionals.
Evidence of Evolutionary Transitions. There really is evidence out there.
Transitional Vertebrate Fossils FAQ. Yes, transitional fossils exist.
Fossil whale with legs. Land animal to whale transitional fossil.
Feathered Dinosaurs.
Archaeopteryx. Reptile-to- bird transitional fossil.
Archaeopteryx: FAQS . A true transitional fossil
All About Archaeopteryx.
Evidence for Evolution . Compilation of links.
Human Ancestors.
The Evidence for Human Evolution.
Comparison of all Hominid skulls.

404 posted on 08/22/2005 10:55:17 AM PDT by PatrickHenry (Felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas. The List-O-Links is at my homepage.)
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