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Panel on Prison Rape Hears Victims' Chilling Accounts
NY Times ^ | August 20, 2005 | CAROLYN MARSHALL

Posted on 08/20/2005 11:18:38 AM PDT by neverdem

SAN FRANCISCO, Aug. 19 - T. J. Parsell was a lanky pimple-faced adolescent bent on mischief. So when he found a toy gun one evening in 1978 while wandering home from a high school party, he thought nothing of pointing it at a store clerk and grumbling, "Your money or your life."

He got $50 for what he now calls "a stupid impulsive prank." The incident landed the 17-year-old Parsell in an adult jail, where on his first night, an older inmate spiked his drink with Thorazine and sexually abused and raped him.

"While my friends prepared for our high school prom, I was being gang raped," Mr. Parsell testified on Friday to a Congressional commission investigating prison sexual abuse and rape.

Mr. Parsell, now 45, and a successful software executive who lives on Long Island, was one of six victims of prison rape to relate disturbing accounts with a bipartisan panel of The National Prison Rape Elimination Commission here.

"What they took from me went beyond sex," Mr. Parsell said. "They'd stolen my manhood, my identity and part of my soul."

The panel, which also heard from state and federal legislators, law enforcement and prison officials and mental health experts, has been investigating the prevalence, cause and possible solutions to a problem that many experts say has escalated as the prison system is collapsing. Overcrowding, staff shortages and budget cuts have contributed to an often taboo topic.

"As a society, we have an obligation to protect the people we lock up, even though they have harmed society," the commission chairman, Judge Reggie B. Walton of Federal District Court in Washington, said. "Some people say inmates get what they deserve. But they don't think about the overall impact on society."

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; US: California; US: District of Columbia
KEYWORDS: barbaralee; bush; georgewbush; lee; prisoners; prisonrape; prisons; rape; sexcrimes
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To: I see my hands
Everything you cite is a consequence of prohibition.

I here you, I am trying to understand your position on this
I have considerable sympathy for your Libertarian virtues on this
Heck, I've agreed with this position in the past

But I work with drug addicts
I have spent my life working in hospitals
The behavior causes multidimensional injury to self and society
And I cannot accept not resisting the tidal draw of this societal affliction.

This society does not have the necessary resources to address this in other
ways other than criminal.
I guess I can always hope for miracle,
but this is an insuffient answer.
101 posted on 08/20/2005 12:41:52 PM PDT by HangnJudge
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To: happinesswithoutpeace

Let's just say it involves being forced to commit an unspeakable act of depravity on another man. Trying to describe it would probably result in a banned account.


102 posted on 08/20/2005 12:45:18 PM PDT by Welsh Rabbit
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To: neverdem
...within a prison population that exceeds 2.1 million.

That's about the total number of folks on active duty and in the reserve components of the U.S. Armed Forces.

Fine. Send them into Iraq to handle the insurgents. We'll keep America's finest out of harm's way, we'll reduce the population of our societal rejects, and the insurgents will wish they were dealing with the good guys again.

103 posted on 08/20/2005 12:46:20 PM PDT by Prime Choice (E=mc^3. Don't drink and derive.)
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To: adam_az
Their only crime? Using an intoxicating substance other than alcohol or tobacco.

Being a user doesn't get you hard time these days. Being a dealer does. And I don't buy the claim that they're oh-so-innocent. Their money finances organized crime. Ain't nothing "innocent" or "victimless" about that.

104 posted on 08/20/2005 12:49:03 PM PDT by Prime Choice (E=mc^3. Don't drink and derive.)
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To: alrea

" which contributes to industry of murder and slavery thereby making the user and purchaser part of the killing"

Correction - it is prohibition that causes those things.

When prohibition ends, so will it... just like it did re: the alcohol trade after alcohol prohibition ended.


105 posted on 08/20/2005 12:50:03 PM PDT by adam_az (It's the border, stupid!)
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To: Welsh Rabbit

"Let's just say it involves being forced to commit an unspeakable act of depravity on another man."

You mean, that when men are in the joint they force other men to listen to Air America?


106 posted on 08/20/2005 12:50:45 PM PDT by happinesswithoutpeace (You are receiving this broadcast as a dream)
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To: Prime Choice

" Being a user doesn't get you hard time these days. Being a dealer does. And I don't buy the claim that they're oh-so-innocent. Their money finances organized crime. Ain't nothing "innocent" or "victimless" about that."

Prohibition finances organized crime.


107 posted on 08/20/2005 12:50:46 PM PDT by adam_az (It's the border, stupid!)
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To: IronJack
It becomes a measure of us as a society. I have no issue whatsoever about how that Sheriff in AZ who makes prison such an uncomfortable experience that people don't want to go back. It's quite another to take someone and subject them to vile and disgusting acts of the kind that people on these threads find abhorrent in consenting adults.
108 posted on 08/20/2005 12:50:47 PM PDT by misterrob
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To: happinesswithoutpeace
What is the joke?

Get ahold of some Chris Rock material on the subject. He goes into a monologue about what "tossing salad" means.

109 posted on 08/20/2005 12:51:06 PM PDT by Prime Choice (E=mc^3. Don't drink and derive.)
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To: adam_az
Prohibition finances organized crime.

Great. Let's just throw out ALL the laws! Then we won't have any crime! Brilliant!

...not.

110 posted on 08/20/2005 12:51:40 PM PDT by Prime Choice (E=mc^3. Don't drink and derive.)
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To: doug from upland
I'm sitting here wondering what all was the clerk thinking about when he pointed the "toy gun" in their face.

I'm wondering what has happened to their soul, their manhood (presuming it was a male who was robbed), their dignity?
111 posted on 08/20/2005 12:52:54 PM PDT by Smarti Pants (~This American Patriot will never forget !!!~)
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To: pbrown

How about the guys in Texas who tied a man to the back of their truck and dragged him until death? One of them was sexually abused in prison by black inmates. He claimed it screwed with his mind and had him snap. How much of that is believeable is unclear but let's not deny that taking it up the ass in an unwanted fashion can do things to a person's mind.


112 posted on 08/20/2005 12:54:42 PM PDT by misterrob
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

"Prisoners get what they deserve, maybe they'll think twice about committing crimes."

You might want to think about that statement. Just the fact that you condoned rape is bad enough. But you're not even considering the impact prison rape has on the rest of society.

John goes to jail, gets raped, and contracts AIDS.

John gets released from prison and has sex with his girlfriend or wife. Now John's partner has contracted AIDS.

John impregnates his partner. The kid is born with AIDS.

As a result of prison rape, one person who was sentenced to prison time got both prison time and a disease that will kill him. Two innocent people, his partner and kid, also got AIDS. And we the taxpayers get to pick up the bill at some point.

You might want to put some thought into your attitude that prison rape is no big deal.


113 posted on 08/20/2005 12:57:52 PM PDT by conservative_2001 (Defeat Jean Schmidt and Paul Hackett in 2006!)
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To: Prime Choice; adam_az

Ever wonder why you have to bear false witness to what others say in order to make your point? It must be disheartening.


114 posted on 08/20/2005 12:58:44 PM PDT by I see my hands (Until this civil war heats up.. have a nice day.)
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To: jammer

Thanks. Sadly, after reading the rest of the thread to date, it didn't appear to take.


115 posted on 08/20/2005 12:59:17 PM PDT by Turbopilot (Nothing in the above post is or should be construed as legal research, analysis, or advice.)
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To: I see my hands

Hollow sanctimony. You know I'm right.


116 posted on 08/20/2005 12:59:57 PM PDT by Prime Choice (E=mc^3. Don't drink and derive.)
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To: Prime Choice

This is just getting silly.


117 posted on 08/20/2005 1:09:27 PM PDT by happinesswithoutpeace (You are receiving this broadcast as a dream)
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To: Mr. Jeeves

Your point about firearms deserves to be re-iterated. Anyone who owns a gun has a tenuous relationship with legality, especially if they travel with it. There are so many laws and regulations at so many levels it's hard to be in compliance all the time.

A prime example is the "school zone" law, which was struck down but quietly reinstated. How many of you have driven within 1000 feet of a school with a gun in your car lately? If ATF or some other agency decides to set up a roadblock to enforce that statute, you may be in trouble if you get caught by it (I wanted to say "screwed", but the subject matter on this thread would render that decision as being in poor taste).


118 posted on 08/20/2005 1:11:06 PM PDT by Disambiguator (Making accusations of racism is the last refuge of a scoundrel.)
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To: neverdem

Prisoners that commit violent felonies should be summarily executed.


119 posted on 08/20/2005 1:15:35 PM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: PAR35

Where the hell do you come up with his not taking responsibility? His saying it was a stupid, impulsive prank is not ditching responsibilty, it's calling it like it was. A dumb thing to do.


120 posted on 08/20/2005 1:18:23 PM PDT by ShadowDancer (Stupid people make my brain sad.)
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