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Court rules atheism a religion
WorldNetDaily ^

Posted on 08/20/2005 12:11:11 AM PDT by Lexinom

A federal court of appeals ruled yesterday Wisconsin prison officials violated an inmate's rights because they did not treat atheism as a religion.

"Atheism is [the inmate's] religion, and the group that he wanted to start was religious in nature even though it expressly rejects a belief in a supreme being," the 7th Circuit Court of Appeals said.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Philosophy; US: Wisconsin
KEYWORDS: 7thcircuit; atheism; isthistheonion; religion; religionofatheism; ruling; truth; worldview
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To: Lexinom

This ought to be interesting. Bump for later reading.


101 posted on 08/20/2005 9:16:57 AM PDT by Kevin OMalley (No, not Freeper#95235, Freeper #1165: Charter member, What Was My Login Club.)
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To: Racehorse

yes, that evaluation of Pascal's Wager IS elegantly simple and straightforward ;)


102 posted on 08/20/2005 9:24:18 AM PDT by King Prout (and the Clinton Legacy continues: like Herpes, it is a gift that keeps on giving.)
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To: Lexinom
Atheism is a religion??

a. Disbelief in or denial of the existence of God or gods.

b. The doctrine that there is no God or gods.

c. Godlessness; immorality.

How does it work to have a religion without a god?

103 posted on 08/20/2005 9:32:47 AM PDT by lstanle
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To: lstanle

Religion -
Belief in and reverence for a supernatural power or powers regarded as creator and governor of the universe.


104 posted on 08/20/2005 9:36:26 AM PDT by lstanle
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To: HereInTheHeartland

Very clever. What you eat, or don't eat, is your diet. What you wear, or don't wear, is your wardrobe. What you believe, or don't believe, is your religion.


105 posted on 08/20/2005 9:37:11 AM PDT by TN4Liberty (American... conservative... southern.... It doesn't get any better than this.)
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To: Lexinom

To declare, "I believe that there is no God" is undoubtedly an act of faith.


106 posted on 08/20/2005 9:41:05 AM PDT by T. Buzzard Trueblood ("...there was a relationship between Iraq and al Qaeda." - Thomas Kean, chairman, 9/11 Commission)
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To: Lexinom

You're 100% correct, and something I've always said, myself; atheism is, indeed, a belief system, i.e., a religion.


107 posted on 08/20/2005 9:42:29 AM PDT by nicmarlo
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To: nickcarraway

LOL!


108 posted on 08/20/2005 9:43:53 AM PDT by BlessedBeGod (Benedict XVI = Terminator IV)
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To: T. Buzzard Trueblood

absolutely correct


109 posted on 08/20/2005 9:45:31 AM PDT by nicmarlo
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To: peyton randolph

It also means that belief in evolution would also be a form of 'religion'; no different than belief in creation.


110 posted on 08/20/2005 9:51:38 AM PDT by connectthedots
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To: King Prout
a belief system based upon dogmatic faith in completely unverifiable core tenets = religion

Based on your definition, Christianity is not a religion.

111 posted on 08/20/2005 9:57:50 AM PDT by connectthedots
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To: paudio; Maceman; King Prout
. . . the different between Buddhism and that of 'Western' tradition, is that in the later version, the supreme being is a person, not a body of ideas, energy, minds, etc.

My Thai Buddhist mother-in-law simply strives for a good rebirth.

My Thai Buddhist sisters-in-law believed in ghosts.  They were deathly afraid of them.  One claimed she'd seen them.  To listen to them, you would have thought they were Tibetans.  Mom-n-law doesn't believe in ghosts.

When one of the sisters died, she had at her request, one after the other, first a Christian ceremony conducted by her pastor, and then a Buddhist ceremony conducted by monks from the local temple.  The ceremonies had very different purposes.  None of the Buddhists saw the slightest conflict, even attending both ceremonies.  Some of the Christians expressed displeasure, others curiosity.

It all gets very complicated.  Some Buddhists in some traditions simply hope for a good rebirth.  Others hope for a stay in paradise.  And others strive for extinction, an end to the cycle of rebirth.

Maceman places the emphasis on a supreme being or an equivalency.  King Prout looks to a system of belief bound (in a good way) by ritual and higher authority.

To me, both seem to describe how individuals, alone or in community, embrace a spiritual belief which enables them to strive to transcend the mundane and the profane.  I do not believe the agnostic or the atheist does that, not if they truly do not know or truly do not believe.

112 posted on 08/20/2005 10:14:14 AM PDT by Racehorse (Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.)
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To: Lexinom

There are only two religions.

Atheism is merely one of the "belief systems" among thousands in the man-centered religion catagory.


113 posted on 08/20/2005 10:21:12 AM PDT by Matchett-PI (Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind'. Albert Einstein)
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To: Lexinom
I know one thing for sure. No atheist is going to die for his beliefs. It would defy the point woudn't it?

//SARCASM OFF

114 posted on 08/20/2005 10:31:07 AM PDT by bubman
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To: Racehorse

the agnostic is honest: He does not know, and that is all he says. Most honest theistic folk admit to being at least partially agnostic - kinda by definition, Faith requires a choice in uncertainty.

the small-a atheist is honest: he has no faith or belief in any god, finds the whole matter personally irrelevant, and that is all he says. It is a state of personal lack of belief.

the big-A Atheist is a different animal: he believes there ARE NO GODS. This is a state of active belief of a thing which is beyond any test or proof. It is dogmatic, and often enough is as central a tenet in the life of an Atheist as belief in Deity is for the religious. It is thus a RELIGIOUS CREED.


115 posted on 08/20/2005 10:32:17 AM PDT by King Prout (and the Clinton Legacy continues: like Herpes, it is a gift that keeps on giving.)
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To: connectthedots

ah, what did you smoke for breakfast?


116 posted on 08/20/2005 10:33:10 AM PDT by King Prout (and the Clinton Legacy continues: like Herpes, it is a gift that keeps on giving.)
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To: Lexinom
There is no such thing as "neutrality", or non-religion.

While I agree that Atheism is a religion, I disagree with your statement above. Agnosticism is "neutrality" and, unlike atheism, doesn't claim to know that there is or is not a God.

117 posted on 08/20/2005 10:34:38 AM PDT by SunStar (Democrats piss me off!)
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To: lstanle

Buddhism is a religion with no gods


118 posted on 08/20/2005 10:34:45 AM PDT by King Prout (and the Clinton Legacy continues: like Herpes, it is a gift that keeps on giving.)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
Any claim to “morality,” or any associated concept, is based on the presupposition that some higher power defines what is correct for human behavior.

Not much, if any, quibbling from me.  But, how is this morality revealed . . . religiously?

Is it a kind of Socratic remembering?  Is it taught to you?

Or, does it matter?

119 posted on 08/20/2005 10:35:42 AM PDT by Racehorse (Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.)
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To: King Prout

Read "Evidence that Demands a Verdict" by Josh McDowell; amnd you will see that there is plenty that is verifiable.


120 posted on 08/20/2005 10:36:34 AM PDT by connectthedots
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