Posted on 08/19/2005 1:02:07 PM PDT by SmithL
NASHVILLE, Tenn. - Echoing similar comments from President Bush, Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist said "intelligent design" should be taught in public schools alongside evolution.
Frist, R-Tenn., spoke to a Rotary Club meeting Friday and told reporters afterward that students need to be exposed to different ideas, including intelligent design.
"I think today a pluralistic society should have access to a broad range of fact, of science, including faith," Frist said.
Frist, a doctor who graduated from Harvard Medical School, said exposing children to both evolution and intelligent design "doesn't force any particular theory on anyone. I think in a pluralistic society that is the fairest way to go about education and training people for the future."
The theory of intelligent design says life on earth is too complex to have developed through evolution, implying that a higher power must have had a hand in creation. Nearly all scientists dismiss it as a scientific theory, and critics say it's nothing more than religion masquerading as science.
Bush recently told a group of Texas reporters that intelligent design and evolution should both be taught in schools "so people can understand what the debate is about."
That comment sparked criticism from opponents, including Democratic Party Chairman Howard Dean, who called Bush "anti-science."
Frist, who is considering a presidential campaign in 2008, recently angered some conservatives by bucking Bush policy on embryonic stem cell research, voicing his support for expanded research on the subject.
Frist said his decision to endorse stem cell research was "a matter of science," but he said there was no conflict between his position on stem cell research and his position on intelligent design.
"To me, I see no disconnect between that and stem cell research," Frist said. "I base my beliefs on stem cell research both on science and my faith.
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he DEMISE of DarwinCentral is NIGH!!!!I don't know what creation scientists you listen to but the ones I read don't talk about billions of years. They talk about a young earth.
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I'm sure the IDers are happy to have that guy as their spokesman. He should be held up and illuminated as their representitive...
BEWARE THE ORTHOGONAL CONJUNCTION!
Taxes, these "Scientists" you mention, are they also the ones that reinforced in your head that the Sun, the moon, the stars, and the rest of the galaxy orbit the Earth?
I hope you haven't sent them a "donation"...
(See Post #251 on this thread)
Hey Woody, I've got a question for you, how does your 2nd law hold up to the Prime Directive?
LOL. That's a good one. Why don't you review the definition of "entropy" and get back to us?
"And yet again, I sit here patiently awaiting a response on just exactly how evolution fits within the Second Law of Thermodynamics..."
Since the biosphere is an open system, with a huge amount of energy constantly entering it from the Sun, the Second Law fits in quite nicely. The real Second Law, not the Creationist Second Law. The Sun is most definitely an external source of energy. This does not mean that the entropy of the universe is not increasing, it is.
I know this has been explained to you repeatedly, so don't keep saying *Nobody has answered my question...*
I think you just shorted his circuits Guitarman...
:)
This is nothing but a sidestep of the issue. It is a routine and cleverly disguised religious response, but sidestep nevertheless.
Even considering the earth an "open system" with external energy inputs, random energy, in the form of energy from the sun does absolutely nothing to create order. Nor are you raising any postulates on how it might.
Further, this is nothing but silly sun worship. I thought that went out with the B.C. egyptians but I guess I was wrong.
Random energy, directed at a system does nothing to bring order to that system. It absolutely astounds me at how ignorant evolutionists are of basic principles of entropy. Without directed energy, or a directed and specific way to convert random energy (such as that which comes from the sun) into meaningful work within bio organisms, there is no order. In fact, the energy inputs into such a system WITHOUT mechanisms to convert that energy could be argued to bring about disorder even more quickly. But then again, that doesn't fit the cult of evolution so the Second Law of Thermodynamics must be modified ;-)
What you are saying in essence is that the form of energy for CONTINUED bio life is also the source that somehow CREATED the very same mechanisms that use that energy. This is the highest form of cult-like religious faith. Energy somehow creates life that CONSUMES that same energy for its sustained existence. Talk about worshipping a god, all hail the sun god of evolution.
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Evolution is nothing but an opiate for weak minded atheists. I am a theist who does not have enough blind zealous faith to accept the absurd propositions of evolution.
It is lunacy to believe that from random occurrence you gain greater and greater order. It then becomes zealous fanaticism when you deny that this is anything more than secular fundamentalism.
Evolution, the opiate for the atheists.
The second law makes no distinction between "random energy" and "nonrandom energy". This is part of why you're being laughed at, along with this notion that snowflakes are not "ordered" - entropy has a firm mathematical definition, and snowflakes have less entropy than a drop of water, hence are more ordered. I'm sorry you don't feel like you're getting good answers here - someone will probably step up to the plate with a fuller explanation, once we're all done wiping the tears from our eyes.
Now we're actually making REAL progress!! ;-) At least you're putting forth a postulate on how the sun god automagically creates life...
Although your postulate is interesting evolutionary dogma, it is nevertheless consistent with the rest of the silly theory :-) Yes, I must concede, evolution created trailer parks. Shucks, you got me there ;-)
How about elaborating, as the spokesman for the evolutionist community, how your postulate over the sun god Rah created life :-) Should be interesting. I must admit, I am humored. When evolutionists have nowhere to go, they resort to silly made up pedantics...Second Law of Thermodynamics (paraphrased)
Without external inputs of energy, any system, on its own, moves from order to disorder. Without external inputs of energy, systems eventually become totally random. Even in a system that has external energy inputs, the energy can not be random to create order, but must be directed in a specialized way to create order rather than disorder.
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Wow, at least I'm finally getting a somewhat reasoned response rather than the typical evolutionist religious dogma. Now THIS is quite refreshing...
And you may laugh all you wish, it would be a bit silly to laugh at the notion that random energy creates order since that is diametrically opposed to the second law of thermodynamics that things tend toward random disorder.
However, since you seem somewhat reasonable, how about your postulate on exactly how evolution fits into the Second Law? This should prove interesting.
For weeks I've been looking for a non-religious response to evolution. I'd be curious in your exposition at how many leaps of faith you make by the time you're done ;-)
I suspect it was 1720 to 1.
We bribed Bill Frist.
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All hail the energy god, RAH, all fall down and worship because the evolutionist pronounces that it is so...
(and in a mind-dulled, low monotone, vacuous chant)
Energy is energy. Deal with it. The great god RAH has spoken.
Energy is energy. Deal with it. The great god RAH has spoken.
Energy is energy. Deal with it. The great god RAH has spoken.
Energy is energy. Deal with it. The great god RAH has spoken.
etc., ad infinitum
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