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I'm pretty certain there is a Supreme Court ruling to the effect that there's no obligation for a law enforcement officer to come to the aid of a civilian. Seems to me that should be a two-way street. Of course, this did happen in the City-State of Chicago aka Illinois.
1 posted on 08/19/2005 6:06:43 AM PDT by NuclearDruid
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I think you're spot on ND.

-CT


2 posted on 08/19/2005 6:07:56 AM PDT by correctthought (Hippies, want to change the world, but all they ever do is smoke pot and smell bad)
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If I wanted to help a copy arrest a perp I would have become a cop. This is completely ridiculous.
3 posted on 08/19/2005 6:10:09 AM PDT by T.Smith
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Exactly. I believe in CCW precisely because courts have ruled many times that a cop is not required by law to assist a civilian during a crime in progress. It should go the other way, too.


4 posted on 08/19/2005 6:10:19 AM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity ("A litany of complaints is not a plan." -- G.W. Bush, regarding Sen. Kerry's lack of vision)
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If he is not paid for the aid, then it's involuntary servitude, aka SLAVERY!.........


6 posted on 08/19/2005 6:15:15 AM PDT by Red Badger (Want to be surprised? GOOOOGLE your own name. Want to have fun? GOOOOGLE your neighbor's......)
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Policeman asks for help say ok, take his gun and shoot the thief. :D /obvious sarcasm


7 posted on 08/19/2005 6:17:25 AM PDT by Echo Talon (http://echotalon.blogspot.com)
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I suspect that the law will unconstitutional if it is ever placed to the test. You cannot take work from a citizen without just compensation; then there are all of the other issues involving the personal liability of the deputized citizen; and their relative ability and personal risk of injury. This does not seem like a well thought out law.


8 posted on 08/19/2005 6:17:29 AM PDT by ARCADIA (Abuse of power comes as no surprise)
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the part about "helping your fellow man" ??? yeah right - who gives a s**t anymore, right?

That is what I hear on this board - The man should NOT have been charged with a crime for not helping the police, but on the same token, he SHOULD have helped to his utmost ability.

This is the least/left coast big city liberal mentality - gimme gimme gimme - but I won't lift a finger to help.

all you, please never move into my neighborhood.


11 posted on 08/19/2005 6:22:02 AM PDT by hombre_sincero
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Seinfeld finale?


14 posted on 08/19/2005 6:24:32 AM PDT by L98Fiero
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Isn't this why Jerry, George and Elaine went to jail?


15 posted on 08/19/2005 6:26:34 AM PDT by JIM O
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What if the perp suffers a real, or imagined, injury during the arrest? Or what if the indidual himself is injured? Is the individual who aided the Cop covered for this libility?

I hate to even ask these questions, but let's face it, the lawyers are in control.

16 posted on 08/19/2005 6:27:34 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty
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I would put this in the same category as helping a drowning person. I am not a life guard and I am not a good swimmer. If I see someone who is in danger of drowning I am limited in what I can do to help in view of my lack of aquatic skills. As tempting as it might be, I have to remind myself that it will do no good for me to drown trying to save the other person. Regardless of the merit of my intentions if I act beyond my demonstrated abilities I will end up leaving a widow and three fatherless children behind. My actions would, however, benefit the local funeral home community.

In case of the law enforcement officer needing help I would be limited to using his/her radio or my cell phone to summon backup.
19 posted on 08/19/2005 6:30:07 AM PDT by jwpjr
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The city state of Chicago is about 300 miles from Wood River.
Wood River is across the Mississippi River from St. Louis


20 posted on 08/19/2005 6:30:11 AM PDT by Tspud1
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Some say tomato, some say tomahto....

The cop said he said.......

Skinner said the cop didn't say what he said he said......

Cop said vs....

Skinner said.....

Skinner loses.

Oh, let's call the whole thing off.

Leni

21 posted on 08/19/2005 6:30:24 AM PDT by MinuteGal
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I think he should be prosecuted just for the expression on his face.

22 posted on 08/19/2005 6:30:34 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Islam is merely Nazism without the snappy fashion sense.)
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Hey, if a cop is not under obligation to help me, then neither am I to him. Call for more backup, officer.


26 posted on 08/19/2005 6:34:55 AM PDT by PAMadMax (Islam is the enemy of all mankind...AlJazeera is its PR Firm)
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Where to start? The cop needs help, and asks you for it.

I would help to the utmost of my ability, if requested to do so.

(If he/she does not ask for help, but is capable of doing so, stay out of the way--you might be percieved as a threat.)

To not help is to give tacit aproval to the criminal element.

I carry a concealed weapon to intervene, not only in threats to my life and well being, but to, if necessary, intervene on behalf of third parties as well. This is an action which is legally protected in my home state.

Without that aspect in the population, what incentive do the cops have in backing CCW laws?

For those who talk about expense, etc, if they get hurt, I can pretty much guarantee any civillian who gets hurt helping a cop will have the entire police force's fundraising effort to help them out, and in some areas, the commmunity as well.

As for expensive, let the perp get away, hurt or kill the cop, and commit other crimes as well. That will cost the whole community.

In many jurisdictions Good Samaritan laws handle the liability aspect as long as you act in good faith.

For the record, I have never been employed in law enforcement, nor do I consider myself to be a law enforcement wannabe by any stretch of the imagination.

29 posted on 08/19/2005 6:49:36 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (God save us from the fury of the do-gooders!)
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This cop needed help subduing a 14-year-old boy who couldn't even change a freaking tire? Good grief. The man should be fired.
What a doofus.
33 posted on 08/19/2005 6:55:47 AM PDT by Sandy
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So if this guy had helped, and got hurt, would it be the criminals fault, or the cops fault?


39 posted on 08/19/2005 7:07:26 AM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to.....otherwise, things would be different.)
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The cop wouldn't need to ask me - I'd jump right in - especially if I thought the cop was getting the short end of the stick.


46 posted on 08/19/2005 7:25:39 AM PDT by sandydipper (Less government is best government!)
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And in other news...citizens' arrest of illegal "entrants" are strictly forbidden.


52 posted on 08/19/2005 8:05:39 AM PDT by AmericanChef
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