How Intelligent Design Hurts Conservatives (By making us look like crackpots)

The New Republic ^ | 8/16/05 | Ross Douthat

[AntiGuv]

That's an interesting thought. I've never posted a vanity, but if any topic demands it, this is it! I'll give it some thought after I finish up with the remaining questions from Torie. Speaking of which, I won't get a chance now to post the rest until tomorrow evening. Farewell till then!

PS. Yup, a reliable, adequate source of fresh water is definitely crucial. Yet another discussion unto itself! Hmm.. I'll have to think about how I would concisely phrase the 'fourth pillar' if need be.

[qam1]

There are no great Dodges and their sure the hell ain't any data supporting your 'cry wolf' assertions. I'm a patient man though. There have been scores of polls leading up to and after the last election. It should be a simple matter for a man or woman of your obvious talents to locate ONE with ID or Evolution listed as an issue concerning Americans.

Are you that dense?

Election --- Kansas 2000 ---  Science vs Mythology -- Science Won

That's your stinkin' poll, and it's the only one that really matters -  an actual election.

Here read about it yourself, Election results signal changes in science standards by Kansas board

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The board in August 1999 approved standards that omitted many references to evolution, the big-bang theory or the age of the Earth. The vote was 6-4. After the election, the balance on the board has shifted to 7-3 in favor of evolution.

It should be noted that in 2000 Kansas went 65-33 for Bush over Gore. So for Republicans to lose that bad in a year where Bush won big should be more than enough to tell you that pushing mythology over science is a loser.

I'm sure if you looked you won't find any poll in 1998 or before showing evolution vs mythology as an issue concerning Kansas citizens, as to most people it was settled back in 1925 after the Scopes Monkey trial. Yet in 1999 when they brought it up again and they made it an issue again and they ended up losing.

Now, It's not a stretch to figure that if the people of Kansas who are among the most religious and Republican in the nation rejected replacing science with mythology, that the people living in states that are less religious and Republican (i.e. Colorado & Nevada) than Kansas will also do so.

Plus remember the Santorum Amendment, where Rick Santorum tried to sneak ID into the No Child Left Behind act, If ID is such a winner or a non-issue why did they take it out? Rick Santorum is also the most vulnerable senator in this up coming election (coincidence?)

[curiosity]

I agree with you. God designed the universe and its laws so that it would eventually produce a being that could know Him and love Him. To believe otherwise takes at least as much faith, if not more, IMHO.

But this belief is NOT what is commonly known as "intelligent design," which is really an abuse of language. Hey, there's another thing I can say about "intelligent design!" Bad science, bad philosophy, bad theology, and bad philology.

[curiosity]

I am one conservative that says, look God created it. That's what I believe and who I worship. You want me to believe ANYTHING else, you better prove it beyond the shadow of a doubt and even then, no promises.

No one is asking you to believe anything else. I would just encourage you to accept what science has demonstrated to be the process God used to make life diverse, i.e. evolution. God created man using the process of evolution, which was His brilliant invention.

[curiosity]

I would rather stand up for God than be on the side of pure evil like the left no matter what the cost thank you very much.

You're not standing up for God when ignore or irrationally deny the evidence he left us about evolution in His Creation.

[curiosity]

The ones with the religious view are those who say that the universe was caused by a big bang.

The bing bang has nothing to do with evolution and the intelligent design movement. You're mixing up apples and oranges.

BTW, the Bing Bang theory was first proposed by a Jesuit priest, who thought it actually strengthened the case for a creator.

[curiosity]

In other words, if we all become athiests, we will be "accepted" by the Left and they won't call us ignorant rubes anymore.

You don't have to be an atheist to accept any piece of science, be it Darwin's theory of evolution or anything else.

The atheists have done an excellent job spreading the lie that evolution=atheism. Don't let yourself be fooled.

[curiosity]

Oh, sort of like evolution. God did not plan every detail, he just set it into motion.

Yeah, and watched over it, and perhaps gave it a tiny, undetectable nudge here or there.

[curiosity]

According to evolutionists like Thomas Huxley it has everything to do with it.

Thomas Huxley was not a scientist. His view was just his (incorrect) philosophical opinion.

[Elsie]

You posed what you thought was an unanserable question...

I did?

But YOU answered wrongly.

But then, God made you do that, so I guess that you really don't get that scored against you.

[Elsie]

Unless we can perfect something that can affordably convert sea water to fresh, we may hit a barrier to future population growth.

Hot so!

That's what Evolution is all about.

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Drink whatcha got or DIE!

[Elsie]

Unless we can perfect something that can affordably convert sea water to fresh, we may hit a barrier to future population growth.

NOT so!

That's what Evolution is all about.

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Drink whatcha got or DIE!

(Well; H is close to N.)

[Elsie]

The world is DEFINITELY screwed up!

[Elsie]

BTW, the Bing Bang theory was first proposed by a Jesuit priest, who thought it actually strengthened the case for a creator.

 

 

Let there be Light Stuff!

[Elsie]

 

Yeah, and watched over it, and perhaps gave it a tiny, undetectable nudge here or there.

Dang!  Is this old book LYING to me????

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NIV Psalms 148:4-5
 4.  Praise him, you highest heavens and you waters above the skies.
 5.  Let them praise the name of the LORD, for he commanded and they were created.

 

 

 

 

 

NIV Isaiah 45:18
  For this is what the LORD says-- he who created the heavens, he is God; he who fashioned and made the earth, he founded it; he did not create it to be empty, but formed it to be inhabited-- he says: "I am the LORD, and there is no other."

 

 

 

 

NIV Isaiah 65:17-18
 17.  "Behold, I will create new heavens and a new earth. The former things will not be remembered, nor will they come to mind.
 18.  But be glad and rejoice forever in what I will create, for I will create Jerusalem to be a delight and its people a joy.

 

"...will..."    WOW!  This'll be cool to watch!

 

 

 

NIV Ezekiel 28:13-15
 13.  You were in Eden, the garden of God; every precious stone adorned you: ruby, topaz and emerald, chrysolite, onyx and jasper, sapphire,  turquoise and beryl. Your settings and mountings  were made of gold; on the day you were created they were prepared.
 14.  You were anointed as a guardian cherub, for so I ordained you. You were on the holy mount of God; you walked among the fiery stones.
 15.  You were blameless in your ways from the day you were created till wickedness was found in you.

 

 

 

NIV Matthew 25:34
  "Then the King will say to those on his right, `Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world.

 

 

 

 

 

NIV Mark 10:6
   "But at the beginning of creation God `made them male and female.'  

 

(Not umpteen eons later; after lots of Evolution takes place!)

 

 

 

 

 

NIV 1 Corinthians 11:8-9
 8.  For man did not come from woman, but woman from man;
 9.  neither was man created for woman, but woman for man.

 

 

 

 

NIV Hebrews 9:11
  When Christ came as high priest of the good things that are already here,  he went through the greater and more perfect tabernacle that is not man-made, that is to say, not a part of this creation.

 

 

 

 

NIV Hebrews 12:26-29
 26.  At that time his voice shook the earth, but now he has promised, "Once more I will shake not only the earth but also the heavens."
 27.  The words "once more" indicate the removing of what can be shaken--that is, created things--so that what cannot be shaken may remain.
 28.  Therefore, since we are receiving a kingdom that cannot be shaken, let us be thankful, and so worship God acceptably with reverence and awe,
 29.  for our "God is a consuming fire."

 

WOW!  An UNcreated, shakeless place, just for us believers!

 

 

 

 

 

NIV 2 Peter 3:4
   They will say, "Where is this `coming' he promised? Ever since our fathers died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation."

 

"...everything goes on as it has since the BEGINNING..."!?  WHAT!!! NO "Evolution"????

 

 

 

 

NIV Revelation 4:11
  "You are worthy, our Lord and God, to receive glory and honor and power, for you created all things, and by your will they were created and have their being."

 

HMMmmmm... I thought Evolution made all things, out of the starting ingredients....

 

 

 

 

 

[PatrickHenry]

Placemarker

[Modernman]

Look into the past then, and tell me of an actual set of events that drove change

The asteroid that wiped out the dinosaurs opened up a whole host of environmental niches for mammals and birds.

As a result, mammals expanded from mostly shrew-like creatures to the wide variety we see today.

[CAPTAINSUPERMARVELMAN]

Thomas Huxley was not a scientist. His view was just his (incorrect) philosophical opinion.






Thomas Henry Huxley (1825-1895): physiologist, anatomist, anthropologist, agnostic, educator, and Darwin's bulldog. ...

hmm. sounds like a scientist to me.

[jwalsh07]

Are you that dense?

Sometimes for sure but not this time. You labor under the misguided notion that the Kansas School Board Election of 2000 was a bellwether of some sort. An analyst with a bit less density would look at the data and see it as a blip where a few moderate Republicans replaced very conservative Republicans on the School Board. Even this was reversed two years later.

So you take a blip on a graph and extrapolate it to the voting population of the United States where overwhelming numbers of those voters believe that God created the Universe.

Stupid analysis based on ideology, not objective fact. You're an ideologue that wants it to be true but there is, once again, NO data supporting your dense assertions. None, nada, zippo.

In fact, if one looks at the reportage of that story and the facts surrounding it one can easily come to the conclusion that certain populations in Kansas were subjected to propaganda and when they realized it they righted the ship. The propaganda would be that the School Board voted to ban the teaching of evolution. It was propaganda because it was false.

What's your specific gravity?

[MEGoody]

In the long run, though, intelligent design will probably prove a political boon to liberals, and a poisoned chalice for conservatives.

Don't be so sure of that. There are an awful lot of Americans who are no longer buying into the dogma of evolution.