Posted on 08/18/2005 5:17:34 PM PDT by curiosity
"I believe that if God had designed life, rather than letting it happen at random, he would have done a much better job."
You are blaming the wrong "god". This flesh age is not about man's perfection, only one has passed through this flesh age in perfection.
NO, that's not what I said, I didn't say it was man I said it was SIN
Can you grasp the difference?
God help you, because it's for sure reason can't reach you.
Reason? There is nothing more reasonably than belief in God
Excellent post!
Hmmm....so we're supposed to take advice from people (The New Republic) who want us to fail?
By the way, I can agree that Intelligent Design and Creationism are not matters of science. I would submit, however, that neither is Evolutionism, on the same grounds. I frequently see statements from evolutionists about how Creationism or ID are not science and why, but rarely if ever do I see evidence offered that evolutionism is any different.
Since God knew when he created man that they would sin, he created that sin. There was no free will since it was all determined when God created man.
When God created man, he knew he was also creating the BTK murderer and all the pain he would inflict on those innocent victims.
I understand. Thanks.
You must be new to these threads.
Hence communism which mass murdered several times more than all the above combined.
Are you kidding?
Was there some part of this you didn't understand?
Thanks for the explanations and the introduction to Intelligent Design!!!
Nor mine. Science doesn't phase me in the least until science steps directly on my toes as in abortionists claiming that unborn babies are "clumps of cells" and stem cell researchers claiming that embryos are not human life so they should be able to get the government to take my money to support their bad habit of creating human life to destroy it.
I'm neither an ID'er nor an Evolutionist but I can observe both intelligent design and evolution and thus recognize both as facts. I'm just a Catholic who believes Gods greatest gift to man on this Earth is free will and the greatest gift to mankind is the offer of salvation.
I'm from the Bob Ross School of Creation, which is to say that I believe this is all a "happy accident."
But I can easily reconcile this with my faith in God. The trick is, sometimes a parable is just a parable.
Without the ability to make a a bad choice, to have HARD choices to make, how do you grow, how do you become a full person, a mature, self-reliant, trustworthy and confident adult, and not just a spolied child?
That ability to make bad choices -- that's sin. Without that ability to make real choices by ourselves, we'd all be wimps, babies, nothings.
Yeah a perfect design of independent intelligent entities seems to need that "sin" so as to allow those entities the ability to mature, to become full standing adults.
Yes, Bill.
Why wouldn't Intelligent design folks work in labs?
I believe that being omniscient means knowing only that which can be known. God being omnipotent, can create whatever He wants, including creatures with free will. How free is free will if God already knows how it will be used? God need not, and I believe did not, have created automatons. My feeling is that He gave us free will, so that when we believed in Him and worshiped Him, it would be our own voluntary act, rather than something caused to happen. Kind of like when your kids tell you they love you without you making them do it, it feels so good. This obviously ain't science, of course.
I enjoy reading Sitchin's books and give him credit for being one of the best and most readable experts on ancient civilizations and biblical archeology as well as understanding early language BUT...
There is one more planet in our solar system, orbiting beyond Pluto but nearing Earth periodically; Advanced "Extraterrestrials” -- the Sumerians called them Anunnaki, the Bible Nefilim -- started to visit our planet some 450,000 years ago; And, some 300,000 years ago, they engaged in genetic engineering to upgrade Earth's hominids and fashion Homo sapiens, the Adam.
His absurd genetic engineering by extraterrestrials from a way past Pluto planet is contrary to common sense and contemporary genetics. The modern human genetic line traces back to 200,000 or slightly less years, it's only been the last 85,000 years that existing humans left Africa and 60,000 years that any humans settled in the fertile crescent and there's no trace of any genetic engineering in the meantime. There's never been any genetic engineering of modern humans (making all ancient astronaut fables rubbish) and definitely not in the time frame of Sumeria, Babylon or Egypt.
1. Darwin did not found the theory of evolution. It was being discussed from before when he was in short trousers, but most people thought it happened because some Intelligence was Designing it to happen.
What Darwin (and wallace, and some Scot forester) did was say it could happen Naturlly, by variation and environmental Selection,
Whereupon everybody struck their forehead with their palm and said "D'oh!"
2. So Darwin proposed a test which would have falsified his Theory, establishing it to be one of Science. Not just a made-up untestable fantasy like ID.
Why did Noah's flood happen and why was Noah and his family the only ones fit to survive?
It was called the teleological view as of a few years ago. The argument that a watch being so intricate, there must be a watch maker...
Before reading this, I thought that was the inteligent design argument. Outa touch I guess. Couldn't figure what the fuss was about.
M
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