Posted on 08/18/2005 5:17:34 PM PDT by curiosity
It can be argued that scientists developed racism. "Notes from Virginia" show how much Jefferson was influenced by the anthropology of his day, and the longer he lived the further he moved from the Lockean view, which was essentially Christian, of the natural equality of man to the 19th century theory of essential differences between races. That is one reason why he supported slavery. Science taught him not to regard his black slave as his natural equal.
Not very moral. My I suggest that this event was more like Hitler taking on the Jews. And the government didn't give a sXXt. I guess it was for the chulrun...you know it takes a fxxking village.
Screw the flaming liberals and their creationism. I go with ID. They will loose!
Words that mean nothing. Actions that should wake many of you up. If you believe that we all came about because of a big BANG and that the gorilla at the zoo is a distant cousin than you do in fact have alot to be afraid of. Fear the unknown.
You speak in gibberish. Take a deep breath, calm down, pretend to be rational, and try again.
Really, you evos and IDers overestimate the publics concern over this all of this.
What if the Pope cam out for ID? What would that do?
Besides, you make it sound like the Dem's tack on the stem cell issue has that much traction. Bush's position is pretty reasonable here, and most people seem to agree with it when they actually find out what it is.
On one have you seem to be saying that the public will side rationally with the eveo side because they "rational, logical positivists" and on the other you seem to be saying that they can be "bludgeoned" with rhetoric, and "tempted with eternal life" (a pretty silly formulation - and a demeaning estimation of the American people, BTW) You cannot have it both ways, it would seem to me.
Believe me, having high school kids in Kansas spend two weeks hearing about ID is not going to move us "back to the dark ages," or somehow "stop bioscience<" and you evos do not help your cause with this sort of hysterical "warnings."
Do you really think the voter believe that this will keep them "from eternal life?"
Do you really think that the voter is so stupid to buy all the outrageous claim coming out from the stem cell crowd, when it is pretty obvious that they are yet again rattling a cup? We have been through the "War on Cancer" and the "War on AIDS," but to little avail. This aspect of the Evo argument seems pretty childish from the outside looking in. As the teacher lobby has begun to be seen as just another interest group at the trough, so do scientist risk this perception the more they are seen as political actor.
Perhaps the Left will be successful here, but it will be a phyrric victory in the end. The self-ipmortant posturings of the Earth sciences crowd, the evo crowd, the gay is biological crowd. the diverity crowd, etc is wearing a little thin. When we have Harvard taking the wholly irrational view that the problem with a "manpower" shortage is some how solved by "empowering women scientist" is is profoundly hard to take the academy seriously when one hears their cries about "the sanctity of science."
I think that you are falling for the Left's notion that they are they "rational; and scientific" ones when they are in fact pretty full of gobbledygook themselves. In fact, ID seems pretty mild here compared to what the left has been up too for years.
As someone with no dog in this fight, I will tell you that the stridency and seemingly mortification of you evos becomes you little in the public square.
It just goes to show that it is not just the Left that has contempt for "the public."
In the end the American people will chose correctly given and honest means of doing so.
Evolution does not address the creation of life since, as a scientific endeavor, the research activities called science, a methodology of inquiry, has stipulated that the supernatural is beyond science's ability.
“If it could be demonstrated,” he once wrote, “that any complex organ existed which could not possibly have been formed by numerous, excessive, slight modifications, my theory would absolutely break down.”
Wrong.
This is the part I do not understand. If, life the universe and everything, is the result of a Creator – as opposed to the random collision of atoms – is that not, at some level, a scientific fact? If the supernatural exists than science must be able to explain it.
Or is it specific aspects of ID that you object to?
As for flaws, they themselves are things of beauty. They provide variation. It's the flaws in a blue diamond that give it the beautiful blue color (ie. electron holes).
I am neither Greek nor Jewish so I guess all that does not apply to me.
That's the truth.
I once saw a presentation by a scientist who was a believer and also a proponent of sound evolutionary theory. He started his presentation by quoting a Gallup poll that stated that 82% of all scientists surveyed believed in some kind of supreme being. He thought it was ironic because a few weeks later he saw a similar poll by Pew (or some other pollster) that stated that 79% of all clergy, pastors, ministers, etc., believed in a supreme being. People are people, eh?
Where did God come from?
Practically speaking, what would Intelligent Design believers do differently than others, in the lab?
Tune into Discovery Health Channel to see the beautiful "flaws of God" ...
I'm leaving in a few minutes, and might not get to your post until tomorrow evening. Just a courtesy FYI! I'll be back..
You said: That is what the creos/ID'ers are pushing. Just stop the progress and say God did it. Stupid.
Other than Scientologists, few believers in God suggest scrapping all science and research, at least few that I know of.
And not responding to your thread, but others who attack ID by saying that if God had created life, He would have done a better job than He did, I am not so sure. God could have created a world in which there was no death, no pain, nothing negative. Would that have been a better world? Depends on what you think is good. Those of us who believe in God and study our faith (at least those with whom I worship) don't think that life was created for Man, but rather for God. The true good in the world always, or nearly so, comes out of the bad. Healing out of illness; Generosity out of want, etc.
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