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Canadians oppose tough, new role for the military, poll shows
Ottawa Citizen. ^ | 08/18/05 | Mike Blanchfield

Posted on 08/18/2005 11:49:53 AM PDT by Pikamax

Mike Blanchfield The Ottawa Citizen

Wednesday, August 17, 2005

Despite fiery rhetoric from Canada's top soldier that the Forces' main job is to kill people and rid the world of "scumbag" terrorists, Canadians prefer an old-fashioned image of their soldiers as benevolent peacekeepers, says a newly released poll.

Canadians support their troops and think there should be more of them, that they should be better funded and have better equipment. But the public's support is not deep, and still follows a traditional pattern that remains disturbing for the Forces: They don't think they deserve more money at the expense of health care and education.

Those findings were presented to Gen. Rick Hillier, the chief of the defence staff, by Ekos Research Associates Inc., which conducted a comprehensive telephone survey of 1,500 Canadians. The poll, done in late winter, is considered accurate within 2.5 percentage points, 19 times out of 20.

The poll was released earlier this month under Access to Information.

The Defence Department did not disclose the poll results when the Liberal government's international policy statement was released in March, showcasing a new, tougher face for the military.

The new approach -- espoused by Gen. Hillier and Defence Minister Bill Graham -- consists of a military fighting its way into a hostile environment, establishing security for oppressed people and helping them build the peace.

This "peacemaking" approach differs from the traditional "peacekeeping" role of a benevolent soldier on patrol, bringing aid to an impoverished child.

"Although Canadians recognize the need for a versatile military force, and understand the need to be combat ready, their preferred role for the forces is as peacekeepers and deliverers of humanitarian and disaster assistance. Moreover, their image of peacekeeping is a rather traditional, even old-fashioned one," the poll states.

About 57 per cent said they want the Forces to have a "traditional peacekeeping role" compared with 41 per cent that favoured "a peacemaking role, which might involve fighting alongside other UN troops to force peace in a disputed area."

Quebecers, at 62 per cent, and university-educated Canadians, at 61 per cent, most favoured the traditional role.

The pollsters offered advice on how military brass should sell their new vision of the Forces to Canadians.

"The image of the soldier holding a swaddling child is a simple and powerful one that appeals to Canadians. However, it is an isolated stereotype that needs to be put in context. That soldier may have arrived at that point by cutting through mean streets, or after overcoming daunting logistical obstacles; he or she may have been in a firefight earlier in the day, or have braved the threat of fire to prevent one."

Ekos poll respondents said the most critical issue facing the Forces was lack of funding (45 per cent). That was followed by old or obsolete equipment (38 per cent), lack of equipment (34 per cent) and a shortage of troops (27 per cent).

More than three-quarters of respondents think the military is underfunded but they had a hard time identifying exactly what ought to be cut.

"When asked to rank public priorities, national defence falls well behind other concerns such as education, health, poverty and the environment. What this means is the public's support should not be taken for granted," the pollster says. "Moreover, while the public may welcome some increase in military expenditure, this is hardly carte blanche."


TOPICS: Canada; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: canada; military; trudeaupia
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Pathetic, the Canadian military deserves better than this.
1 posted on 08/18/2005 11:50:06 AM PDT by Pikamax
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To: Pikamax

If were Canadian, I certainly would not support a strong military so long as the liberals were in control.


2 posted on 08/18/2005 11:51:40 AM PDT by Brilliant
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Um...yeah, the Canadians were sure "benevolent peacekeepers" at Vimy Ridge, Dieppe, Juno Beach, and Antwerp.

Not. They kicked ass and killed the enemy right up there with the best of them.

}:-)4


3 posted on 08/18/2005 11:54:07 AM PDT by Moose4 (Richmond, Virginia, where our motto is "Will Riot For Cheap Laptops")
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To: Pikamax

I want my country back...


4 posted on 08/18/2005 11:55:11 AM PDT by Alexander Rubin (Octavius - You make my heart glad building thus, as if Rome is to be eternal.)
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To: Pikamax

Evidently liberal (not conservative) Canadians still cling to the comfortable fantasy that their country can't be attacked as the US was. And, of course, those same liberals will be the first ones to scream for our help if they ARE attacked.


5 posted on 08/18/2005 11:55:23 AM PDT by American Quilter
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To: maikeru

Oh, Canaduh...


6 posted on 08/18/2005 12:02:04 PM PDT by DTogo (U.S. out of the U.N. & U.N out of the U.S.)
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To: Moose4

Agree with you, but in the last 30 years this has not been the case.
Majority of these WWII era situations you mentioned were when Canada was still under British sovereignty, so they didn't really have much of a choice but to follow into battle


7 posted on 08/18/2005 12:04:28 PM PDT by bigjelmapro
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"...an old-fashioned image of their soldiers as benevolent peacekeeper.

My old-fashioned image of the Canadian military is the Byng Boys at Vimy Ridge, the raiders at Dieppe, the Canadian 3rd Div on Juno Beach.

The Leftists have written their country's history.

8 posted on 08/18/2005 12:07:50 PM PDT by RedRover
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Majority of these WWII era situations you mentioned were when Canada was still under British sovereignty, so they didn't really have much of a choice but to follow into battle.

You don't know what you're talking about. Canadians who served overseas in combat were VOLUNTEERS. You obviously don't know Canadian World War II vets.

9 posted on 08/18/2005 12:11:39 PM PDT by RedRover
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To: Pikamax

I sure wish the western provinces would secede; they don't deserve having their lives controlled by the liberal maggots in Quebec and Ontario.


10 posted on 08/18/2005 12:22:29 PM PDT by Dionysius (ACLU is the enemy)
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To: RedRover

trudeaupia - what Pierre Trudeau made Canada into - is now considered "old-fashioned". The Canada that bore a disproportionally large share in WWII seems to be forgotten by many.


11 posted on 08/18/2005 12:26:48 PM PDT by Murtyo
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To: American Quilter
Canadians take a blase attitude on questions of national security because their country has no real enemies and is far removed from global conflicts. Who needs a military? Just one bilingual soldier in a jeep equipped with a rifle is all that's needed to defend the country. He may not be able to ward off an invasion - but hey, he can speak French fluently and that's what really matters.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
12 posted on 08/18/2005 12:28:34 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Murtyo

Aye, and I wish it weren't so.


13 posted on 08/18/2005 12:30:29 PM PDT by RedRover
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"The image of the soldier holding a swaddling child is a simple and powerful one that appeals to Canadians"

This was an image sold to Canadians that never existed.
Canada has always been very successful on peace keeping missions because of aggressive use of force to enforce UN mandates and control UNPA's. Humanitarian relief is done by organizations like UNHCR, Red Cross etc. who happen to be protected by Canadian troops from time to time.
14 posted on 08/18/2005 12:35:53 PM PDT by recce guy
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To: Pikamax
They should only recruit eunuchs
15 posted on 08/18/2005 12:45:06 PM PDT by conservativewasp (Liberals lie for sport and hate their country. Just look at Mexifornia.)
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To: American Quilter

Actually they are going to blame the conservatives.


16 posted on 08/18/2005 12:45:51 PM PDT by conservativewasp (Liberals lie for sport and hate their country. Just look at Mexifornia.)
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To: Pikamax

(most) Canadians must feel pretty safe to want to disregard their armed forces like this.

Wonder why that is? Wouldn't have anything to do with the fact that the most powerful military in the world resides just south of them would it?

Basically we pay to defend North America. Other countries a) expect us to continue and b) get to bitch about us at the same time.


17 posted on 08/18/2005 12:57:07 PM PDT by rayvd
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"Basically we pay to defend North America. Other countries a) expect us to continue and b) get to bitch about us at the same time."

I hear this line about Canadians "bitching" about Americans all the time. Besides the now ousted C. Parish and legitimate trade disputes....can you give me specific bitches your hearing??
18 posted on 08/18/2005 1:11:58 PM PDT by recce guy
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Canadians prefer an old-fashioned image of their soldiers as benevolent peacekeepers, says a newly released poll

Snort …. stop it, you’re killin’ me!
19 posted on 08/18/2005 1:15:37 PM PDT by schaketo (Not all who wander are lost)
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To: American Quilter

As I was growing up, my big brother (9 years older) was a policeman and a powerlifter. He was trained in street fighting and self-defense for police officers and taught classes on the subject. Because of this, I had the idea that I could basically get away with murder when I was with him because nobody in their right mind was going to screw with me when he was around. And to be honest that was how it went.

But, at the same time, we harassed each other constantly and fought all the time. We each thought the other was an idiot. But, if push had ever come to shove, my brother would have been right there clearing a path for me at the drop of a hat.

I was an immature kid with a pumped out chest because I had a stud for a brother. The Canadian govt. has been operating the same way. But the truth is, if Canada were ever attacked, we would be right there to crush anybody screwing with them.

I grew up and now appreciate my brother for the hero he was. Maybe one day the Canadian govt. will wake up too.


20 posted on 08/18/2005 1:23:27 PM PDT by lnbchip
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