Dude, Who Stole My Party? (Solomonia Blog Guest poster laments the loss of his Democratic Party.)

Solomonia Blog | August 17, 2005 | Tom Glennon

[weegee]

"SOMEONE STOLE MY DEMOCRATIC PARTY!"

And those commies would just love to get their hands on this country.

Since they cannot accomplish their goals by ballot, they seek to legislate from the courts.

[hombre_sincero]

The Republican Party is now the "three winged bird" since many of the conservative southern democrats moved over away from the communist party of the DNC.

The Republicans have:

1. true conservatives now reviled as "Libertarians" by Rockefeller republicans
2. Rockefeller Republicans of the north, left and least coast areas. They are conservative only when compared to Hillary and Kuchinic.
3. Conservative southern democrats who still love America

I believe the #2's also call us "paleo-cons" as the "old-fogey" republicans who still believe in our Constitution and the word of law - not the word of lawyers/judges

[Uncle Miltie]

Correction: "What I do know is that the Republicans seem to have room for Moderates, Liberals and Conservatives, while the Democratic Party does not."

[ncountylee]

...a plot engineered by Gene McCarthy, George McGovern, Ed Muskie and the Massachusetts Wing of Liberals Gone Wild... And followed by Splash (Kennedy)and Treason (Kerry).

[proxy_user]

"What I do know is that the Republicans seem to have room for Moderates, Liberals and Conservatives, while the Democratic Party does not.

But there are many here who oppose the Republican approach, and would prefer to kick out everyone who is not a pure conservative.

My theory is that eventually the Democrats will shrink to nothingness, and the Republicans will split into two parties.

[Clemenza]

2. Rockefeller Republicans of the north, left and least coast areas. They are conservative only when compared to Hillary and Kuchinic.

Sadly, Rockefeller Republican Rudy Giuliani is supported by many on this site. ;-)

[Anitius Severinus Boethius]

To paraphrase Eric Cartman:

"True Conservatives" say they want to save the world, but all they do is complain and lose elections.

[Bar-Face]

Tom Glennon has moved to the Republican party because the Democrat party is too far gone for him. I moved to the Republican party for the same reason. In 1965! Now forty years later the Republican party is just about where the Democrats were in 1965 and I have pretty much left it. The main difference is, I have not voted for a Democrat since 1964 and I still vote for some or most Republicans. But they no longer get a dime from me. Political contribution go to the Libertarians and Constitution Parties.

[fr_freak]

"True Conservatives" say they want to save the world, but all they do is complain and lose elections.

Or you could say: "Moderate Republicans" say they want to promote conservative ideals, but all they do is surrender their principles and elect liberals.

[FreedomFarmer]

...and the Republicans will split into two parties.

Welcome to the Bull Moose party.

[lOKKI]

An excellent article. I've been a registered Independent since 1972, but the truth is that I've almost always had to vote Republican. It's not that that I happily embrace all of the party's positions, but that I find the Democratic ones intolerable.

Clinton, while not completely to my taste was basically acceptable (politically, not ethically, or morally) since his urges (political, not ethical, or moral) were fairly well controlled by the Republican congress.

But John Kerry? Was there anyone who supported this guy except as " Not Bush"?

I don't think so.

I could have tolerated Lieberman as a replacement for Bush, but he couldn't get past the cloakroom, let alone into the election.

Hillary, of all people, understands the need to move to the center, but -how to say this? -

No November in America is ever going to get cold enough for Hillary to win the election for president

It looks like the Republicans stay in power for the foreseeable future.

[Names Ash Housewares]

"My theory is that eventually the Democrats will shrink to nothingness, and the Republicans will split into two parties."

Then I might actually be one of these "undecideds" we always hear about. LOL!

[TheForceOfOne]

Dude, Howard Dean took it, I saw him man he put it right in his back pocket and make an awful scream/laugh.

Weird

[Anitius Severinus Boethius]

Winning elections is better than complaining about not winning elections. But since there is no actual intent to do anything by "true conservatives", I guess complaining is just as good as winning to them.

[fr_freak]

Winning elections is better than complaining about not winning elections. But since there is no actual intent to do anything by "true conservatives", I guess complaining is just as good as winning to them.

The way I see it happen is usually like this:

Hard-core conservative: Hey, let's all work together and get candidate A in office! He represents all our values!

Moderate Conservative: No way. We'll never get candidate A to win. He's too conservative.

Hard-core conservative: But candidate B is practically a liberal!

Moderate conservative: Yes, but at least he isn't a Democrat, so quit your whining.

One year later....

Moderate conservative: I can't believe all of the liberal legislation that is being passed, and candidate B voted for it! What is it with all of these RINOs??????

[Anitius Severinus Boethius]

Politics is about compromise, not getting your own way all the time. Until a person or group realizes that, they will have no voice in policy because they will weild no power.

And insulting people with terms like "Rockefeller Republican", "neo-con", paleo-con", "RINO", etc is not a way to gain sympathy for your point of view.

Reagan's 11th Commandment was "Speak no ill of your fellow Republican" and Goldwater worked the re-election campaigns of moderate Republicans in the 60's. But I guess they gave up their principles and didn't do the Conservative movement any good, correct?

[fr_freak]

Politics is about compromise, not getting your own way all the time. Until a person or group realizes that, they will have no voice in policy because they will weild no power.

First, electing liberal Republicans because one is afraid even to try to get a conservative elected is not compromise - it is surrender.

Second, politics is compromise, but the compromise should occur, in our case, between a politician with conservative principles and one with liberal principles. The conservative politician would, perhaps, abolish welfare, privatize Social Security, etc., but he knows he can't get all of that right away, so he compromises and gets what he can in that direction. However, if you put a liberal Republican in office, whose only claim to conservatism is the title "Republican", then that politician will not be starting from a conservative set of goals, and therefore any compromise that he is willing to engage in with a liberal will mean a liberal agenda. Compromise between right and left ends up somewhere in the middle, but compromise between middle and left ends up on the left.

[Anitius Severinus Boethius]

Liberals of all associations need to be defeated by someone more Conservative than them, but those who call themselves "True Conservatives" will not allow the scale of "more" to exist.

If only 20% of the constituents in a district are Pro-Life, you will not be able to elect a candidate who runs as a Pro-Lifer. You may, however, be able to get a candidate elected who is fiscally Conservative and will vote for parental notification.

The self described "True Conservative" will see that as a sell out of principles and will selfishly stay home helping the Pro-Choice candidate have an easier election.

While the "Parental Notification" candidate would be a sell out on principle in a 75% Pro-Life district, they are not a sell out on principle in the 20% Pro-Life district.

The world of politics, above all other fields, is one of getting as much as you can while losing as little as you can. Before even discussing individual politicians, we must have a clear understanding on this basic truth.

[kidd]

I've always thought the present day Republican party is more like the Democrat party of 1959. This blog backs that thought up.

I fully expect, in the year 2039, to say, "I didn't leave the Republican Party, it left me"

2039? Well, maybe a lot sooner.