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Rice: Israel's evacuation of the Gaza Strip is only a first step
Haaretz ^ | 8/18/2005 | Haaretz

Posted on 08/18/2005 6:04:21 AM PDT by Sabramerican

Rice: Israel's evacuation of the Gaza Strip is only a first step

By Haaretz Service

WASHINGTON - U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice on Wednesday said that while she feels for evacuated settlers Israel will be expected to make further concessions that would ultimately lead to an independent Palestinian state.

"Everyone empathizes with what the Israelis are facing," Rice said, but added "It cannot be Gaza only."

In an interview published by the New York Times, Rice said that the Palestinian Authority must move quickly to disarm Palestinian factions intent on breaking the current cease-fire with Israel.

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The Secretary of State offered sympathy for the settlers who are being evacuated from their homes in Gaza but also made it clear that she expected Israel and the Palestinians to take further steps in short order toward the creation of a Palestinian state.

Such steps would include loosening travel restrictions in the West Bank and withdrawing from more Palestinian cities.

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TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Israel; War on Terror
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To: ASA Vet
and needs to promote the Administration's policy.

Or tell her boss the policy is wrong

Why should she lie to him?

-Eric

81 posted on 08/18/2005 7:16:18 AM PDT by E Rocc (Anyone who thinks Bush-bashing is banned from FR has never read a Middle East thread.)
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To: Shalom Israel
First, by that definition many Israelis are "palestinian".

Right.

The vast majority of the "disposessed palestinians" were in fact Egyptians who migrated to the area to take advantage of good employment offered by Jews

Arabs - all citizens of the Ottoman empire and the former Caliphate - began migrating to Palestine for this reason as early as 1880.

The reason they don't is that it would violate Jewish ethics

The haven't done it partly for historical reasons and partly because world opinion - in particular that of the U.S. - has always been of paramount importance.

But in addition to that, the whole idea that the Israelis "invaded" and "disposessed" an indigenous population is simply false...Your summary is consistent with Pali propaganda on every level, and just as wrong.

Well, I guess was wrong. Zhabotinsky too. There is no wall of iron. It's all just a psychotic illusion.

82 posted on 08/18/2005 7:17:25 AM PDT by liberallarry
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To: Sabramerican
No more concessions!!! We have given billions to Arafat and his thugs over the past decades. Israel has continued to suffer near daily terrorism and horror while every other nation - including the US - counsels Israel to be patient, and then hands over more money to "Palestinians".

Show me some tangible concessions from those in "Palestine". What? The terror has eased up so now we should reward them? I want to see - exactly - what Palestinians are conceding and/or agreeing to.

Why is the pressure always on Israel to tolerate terrorism, to give up just a little more, while the rest of the world simply expects nothing from Palestinians?
83 posted on 08/18/2005 7:18:10 AM PDT by Obadiah
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To: liberallarry
Well, I guess was wrong. Zhabotinsky too. There is no wall of iron. It's all just a psychotican antisemitic illusion.

Excellent! As Lucy says, the mere fact that you realize you need help, indicates that you are not too far gone. Now that you've confessed your antisemitic illusions, perhaps we can get to work correcting them.

84 posted on 08/18/2005 7:19:38 AM PDT by Shalom Israel (Pray for the peace of Jerusalem.)
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To: rightthinkingwoman
They have now brought in caged trucks reminiscent of 40's Germany to remove protesters from a synagogue.
They holed up in a synagogue to make a political point. They picked the place, not the Israeli authorities.

These comparisons to Nazi Germany are getting ridiculous. They are being compensated for losing their subsidized housing and will move to new homes inside Israel proper. If anything, these metaphors demean the Shoah.

-Eric

85 posted on 08/18/2005 7:19:40 AM PDT by E Rocc (Anyone who thinks Bush-bashing is banned from FR has never read a Middle East thread.)
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To: Shalom Israel
For this discussion, no difference at all. Anyone who curses Jews, in Israel or in the diaspora, will bring down God's curse on himself.

That statement was the reason for my original post. The Freeper who posted that passage included the following comment: America as a nation is in danger of being cursed! Pray for GW Bush and his clueless foreign policy consultants.

I fail to see how a U.S. policy calling for Israel to evacuate the settlements in Gaza somehow amounts to a "curse" on Jews.

The regathering of the nation in the last days is prophesied in many places, including by Ezekiel and also by Jesus and John. 1948 was the beginning of the fulfilment of those prophecies, not specifically of the passage in Genesis.

You're going to have to provide those scriptural references to Ezekiel, Jesus, and John before I can comment on them.

87 posted on 08/18/2005 7:22:15 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (I ain't got a dime, but what I got is mine. I ain't rich, but Lord I'm free.)
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To: Obadiah

Even Arafat was an Egyptian.


88 posted on 08/18/2005 7:22:19 AM PDT by HankReardon
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To: HankReardon
Why should I bother?

The palestinians long for their olive trees and old houses and warm sunshine and soft sea...and a land free of Jews. They never talk about the glory of Turkish rule.

But, a long time ago, there was a province called Syria Palestina. So what?

89 posted on 08/18/2005 7:22:31 AM PDT by liberallarry
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To: petro45acp
Tell me when there ever was a nation named Palestine. Palestine is an area, not a nation

That really is a moot question, at this point. Facts on the grounds are facts... 1.3 million Gazans with an average family size of 10 and a couple million West Bankers makes deportation policy impossible (not to mention 22 % of Israel proper is Arab)

Israel needs to defend a contiguous border in which they are a clear majority. Immigration (what there is of it) and demographics make Sharon's policies the most prudent, IMO.

90 posted on 08/18/2005 7:23:11 AM PDT by Nonstatist
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To: liberallarry

You should bother to help to better inform us. So there never was a nation called Palestine? thank you, Larry.


91 posted on 08/18/2005 7:23:51 AM PDT by HankReardon
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To: Shalom Israel

Why don't you write to Zhabotinsky about his anti-semitic illusions? I'm not interested in your ignorant drivel.


92 posted on 08/18/2005 7:24:11 AM PDT by liberallarry
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To: Nonstatist

So do Mexicnas long for their Californian coasts and Texas ranches.


93 posted on 08/18/2005 7:24:56 AM PDT by HankReardon
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To: Alberta's Child
I fail to see how a U.S. policy calling for Israel to evacuate the settlements in Gaza somehow amounts to a "curse" on Jews.

You fail to see why pressuring Israel to give terrorists convenient bases, and to arm them, amounts to a "curse" on Jews? If so, a simple experiment will rectify the problem: lets have the prison nearest your town start putting work-release prisoners in the house next to yours, and give them guns. That OK with you?

You're going to have to provide those scriptural references to Ezekiel, Jesus, and John before I can comment on them.

Noted. I might do that, if I should develop an interest in your comments.

94 posted on 08/18/2005 7:25:40 AM PDT by Shalom Israel (Pray for the peace of Jerusalem.)
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To: HankReardon

You haven't heard a word I said, have you? You're only interested in being technically right. Has it never occured to you that a nation state was never part of Arab political consciousness? That family, religion, tribe were the important units? Why do you think al-Qaida wants to restore the Caliphate?


95 posted on 08/18/2005 7:26:34 AM PDT by liberallarry
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To: Nonstatist
1.3 million Gazans with an average family size of 10 and a couple million West Bankers makes deportation policy impossible...

Impossible? Do tell.

96 posted on 08/18/2005 7:28:22 AM PDT by Shalom Israel (Pray for the peace of Jerusalem.)
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To: HankReardon
We can assimilate Mexicans, believe it or not. California secession is not exactly a probability.

Israel can not assimilate Arab Muslims. Period.

97 posted on 08/18/2005 7:30:09 AM PDT by Nonstatist
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To: E Rocc
Why should she lie to him?

I should have stated it this way, "or tell her boss she believes the policy is wrong."

I wasn't attempting to judge the policy myself. Merely making the observation that she agrees with or is neutral to the Presidents policy.

98 posted on 08/18/2005 7:31:10 AM PDT by ASA Vet (Line the border with trebuchets. Provide the invaders free flights home.)
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To: Shalom Israel
Politically impossible. Even the Israeli Right knows it. (Notwithstanding your religious prophesies, etc.)
99 posted on 08/18/2005 7:32:12 AM PDT by Nonstatist
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To: Shalom Israel
You fail to see why pressuring Israel to give terrorists convenient bases, and to arm them, amounts to a "curse" on Jews?

If this amounts to a "curse" on Jews, then why is the government of ISRAEL moving forward with the plan to remove these settlements from Gaza?

100 posted on 08/18/2005 7:33:07 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (I ain't got a dime, but what I got is mine. I ain't rich, but Lord I'm free.)
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