"The Davidians fired first, and they intended to, and you think BATFE should have knocked? What an asinine statement. "
That they did not. The BATFAGS fired first while killing some dogs, penned bitches and puppies. They like to do that. It establishes the relationship with their victims right off and it gives them woodies.
If the BATFAGS had been ambushed, given the flat stupidity of their assault plan, there would have been dozens of fedscum dead instead of four.
Oh, and that machinegun fire though the roof? It came AFTER some of the assault crew had knocked out a window and entered the building. A following BATFAG threw a flashbang into the room for some bizarro reason and his buddies inside responded with fire.
You know, you're just wrong on this. Every report related basically the same progress of events, and the video confirms it.
Do you not recall the information that the shots through the wall, at the guys on the roof, were from a .50 cal machine gun? BATF didn't have a gun like that. I suppose you think the Davidians always had someone sitting there behind the MG, facing the wall, ready to blow away intruders on the roof, whomever it might be?
I never heard the dog story, and challenge you on this point to provide your source. If the dogs were penned, as you say, why shoot them? That gunfire would tip off the Davidians, and those raiders believed they had surprise on their side. And shooting the dogs to stop their barking is just simply stupid....the dogs barking eliminated the surprise element.
The dogs were undoubtedly considered in the raid plan, and they would have been shot in the case that they posed a threat to the raiders.
The investigation determined (something like this) that the raid team leader and others tried to breach the front door, only got it open a few inches because of barricades, etc, and during that moment, Koresh and others opened up on them. Fire was returned as the agents retreated. I think two agents were killed, one at the front door, and the other on the roof. The report surmised that the shooting at the front door set the roof events in motion.
Barricaded front door, with automatic rifles right there? A .50 Cal MG waiting in ambush upstairs? And, still, you think they should have knocked? Is your claim that if they'd knocked, the Davidians would have cooperated and submitted to the federal warrants for weapons violations?
If these are your conclusions, they are, indeed, asinine.
You may be a little young and immature, IMO, to make intelligent posts on FR. Do you know that you are the ONLY poster who calls the BATFE agents "BATFAGS"? That's truly an impressive way of making your case, and all of us marvel at your diction. /sarc Do you realize that you're at FR, and not some Counter-Strike forum?
It's way over your head here, young man.
That seems to be a common tactic used by bad law enforcement goons, doesn't it? I know that's how Ruby Ridge started too.