More homes in U.S. go solo [single-adult households outnumber two-parent households for first time]

Washington Times ^ | August 17, 2005 | Cheryl Wetzstein

[cyborg]

Tell the truth. There are enough women willing to have unmarried sex with all you men so you don't have make any committment whatsoever.

[Modernman]

The idiocy on this thread multiplies very quickly.

Naw, newbie. The standard of idiocy on this thread has been set by your comments.

Firstly, he did not sat anything about homeownership.

It was clear from the context of his comments. Some of us don't need to have everything spelled out to us in crayon.

Secondly, homeownership, which you apparently worship, is the "American Dream" manufactured by the Realtors Association in 1950s.

I do not worship home ownership. However, owning one's home has been a proud American tradition for centuries.

You, on the other hand, would prefer the welfare queen, popping out child after child, over the unmarried, homeowning taxpayer.

Thirdly, and most importantly, none of this is relevant to my post.

Your post was irrelevant to any rational discussion to begin with.

[Modernman]

But it was rather telling that you do not realize that, throughout history and across cultures, one typically did all that AND had offspring

Having offspring, in of itself, is nothing to be proud of. Anything that a couple of drunken 16 year-olds can accomplish isn't something that inherently creates pride.

[Modernman]

that man ideally lives for society.

Well, I tried, but this is a complete nonsense.

I agree- it is complete nonsense. But you're the one spewing the nonsense.

You heard the noise and could not figure out the direction it was coming from.

We heard the noise and saw that it was spewing from your mouth (or keyboard, as the case may be). It's just that we don't have a sufficient level of ignorant pomposity to understand your drivel.

Word of advice, newbie: Exasperated condescension only qualifies as intelligence in liberal circles. You'll have to do better if you want to play with the big boys on a conservative website.

[tortoise]

Someone had you. Would you call your parents morons?

That they had me does not prove they are not. Indeed, the circumstances of my birth does not lend any support to the idea that they were particularly wise or responsible. But I don't see the relevancy.

I can see why a parent might have pride if their kids turn out exceptionally well if the parents had a big hand in making that happen (and getting knocked up does not constitute 'making it happen'). Pride should be the result of considerable acquired skill and effort that produces fine results; having pride in a windfall is misplaced.

[chudogg]

just get a prenup and stop whining

[ExitPurgamentum]

Non sequitur. And so blatant that it makes me wonder.

Please do, by all means.

First, nobody is forcing "someone else's children" to do these things and I've certainly never asked anyone to. That is irrelevant (speaking of non sequitur). You breath air, and that is the fact. Nobody says that you are forces by any human to do so, and nobody asked you to do so. But you do, and you get a benefit from it.

"someone else's children" are being directly compensated, so that hardly constitutes a "handout".

What is compensation for loss of one's life? Does the two-year pay of an army sergeant if a full compensation for his loss of life? This is not to start the debate on the issue but to show that your statement is far from obvious.

It was not charity when I served in the Army and saved people's lives, I am sure it was not, but the rest of the sentence does not follow from the premise:

and no one owes me anything for my actions.

A truly kind person helps someone out of his own beliefs and does not ask for anything in return. It is often said that the giver is himself enriched in the process. But NOBODY --- not a single minister, priest or rabbi --- would ever agree with your statement: the recipient of kindness owes something. Thanks in the very least, and then one can get into the extent of those thanks.

This too has been a self-evident truth for millennia across cultures but abandoned in ours a couple of decades ago.

Your adult offspring have no obligation to you,

You are a true product of present-day American culture. Regardless of what I believe in and say, it is YOUR intellectual obligation to notice that all of human experience --- at least since Judeo-Christian values have been accepted --- flatly contradicts your statement. It is for you to reconcile it with the facts.

To honor one's parent is actually one of the main Commandments in Judeo-Christian morality.

It is the "Greatest" generation that, for the first time in our history," started to ship elderly parents to nursing homes. It is for you to explain why prior to that elderly parents have been taken care of by their adult offspring.

You were the first to use characterizations, allow me one: your statement is not only amoral (if not immoral) -- you don't seem to have reflected on morality for a long time (or visited your church or synagogue).

Now, I do not want to broaden the discussion further and would like to offer you the main point, saved for last. When you think of value, compensation, etc, you apply criteria for evaluating transactions of private goods (I want something you have and have something you want; we make a transaction according to our valuations; it's in self-interest of both parties; NOBODY owes anybody anything after we are done). What we were discussing, and what I hinted at originally, were PUBLIC goods (those that are characterized by indivisible consumption). Your logic does not apply to these. Read up on the distinction between private, club and public goods, and then think again about these matters.

And please, take a refresher course on Ten Commandments.

[ExitPurgamentum]

Mr./Mrs. Palmer. This was a continuation of a joke between to posters. Take it easy. Read a little. Most importantly, live a little and let live too.

[ExitPurgamentum]

Naw, newbie.

There you go. You must be a real pride of FR.

[ExitPurgamentum]

Exactly. And worse: even a couple of decades ago men did not want to make a commitment, but they still knew what it was. I don't think this is true now: self-centered life is not really a choice of a well-formed will --- they simply do not know any other way.

Emasculation of men is the greatest robbery that feminists committed against women.

[Modernman]

There you go. You must be a real pride of FR.

I never claimed to be the pride of anything.

But pompous intellectual masturbators (like you) grate on me.

[AdamSelene235]

just get a prenup and stop whining

Prenups can not address custody or child support. Furthermore, they are routinely set aside if the courts do not find them to be "equitable".

You are a fool if you think alimony waivers can/will not be set aside by the court.

[tortoise]

You have no idea what you are talking about, and your opinion carries no weight with me for reason of obviously poor reasoning skills.

I've served in the Army, I've saved people's lives at risk of my own, and I know as much about the Church and the Bible as you do (my father is a preacher with a graduate degree in said subject, so being 'raised in the Church' and that I may have been involved in the Church is an understatement). I've known poverty and sacrifice most of my life.

I am not some suburban twit spouting platitudes from behind my keyboard. You are asking hypothetical questions about people I have been; you may be pulling these questions out of your butt, but my answers are based on a connection with reality. Wishful thinking and vapid prognostication have no connection to the real world, so it is probably a good thing that you have no ability to try and force the real world to fit into the mold of your imaginary one.

[superloser]

Proud SINK here

And here!

[Cacique]

I have yet to meet a decent looking, non-neurotic, mentaly stable woman who is still fertile that is willing to bear my child. As they say back home in Argentina, it takes two to do the Tango.

BTW, I haven't met your kid either.

[GOP_1900AD]

I blame women's lib. Women's lib led to:
* The largest single erosion in individual earning power and the greatest ever incremental increase in labor and knowledge worker availability ever in history. And of course, the lesson was not lost on employers.
* Male irresponsibility. If I am not tasked with being a breadwinner and the master of the house, then that means I no longer need to be responsible. In fact, why do I even need to be a husband, let alone a dad?
* The feminization of decision processes. Pacifism, globalism, diversity mania, and numerous other ills are definitely bolstered by the introduction of the points of view of women, and ardent feminazis in particular, into both the private sector and public halls of power and board rooms.
* Etc

[Nowhere Man]

I blame women's lib. Women's lib led to:
* The largest single erosion in individual earning power and the greatest ever incremental increase in labor and knowledge worker availability ever in history. And of course, the lesson was not lost on employers.
* Male irresponsibility. If I am not tasked with being a breadwinner and the master of the house, then that means I no longer need to be responsible. In fact, why do I even need to be a husband, let alone a dad?
* The feminization of decision processes. Pacifism, globalism, diversity mania, and numerous other ills are definitely bolstered by the introduction of the points of view of women, and ardent feminazis in particular, into both the private sector and public halls of power and board rooms.
* Etc

I have to say that is a part of all of this. I think for years, we have seen how the Black family has been dismembered through the easy access to welfare without any accountibility. I know back in the days of the slaves, many Black families were torn up as slaves were sold although the Black family was back in force after emancipation you had it go awry with easy welfare. Note, don't get me wrong, I'm not saying welfare is a Black problem, it is a problem for everyone, there are a lot more Whites than Blacks on welfare but when you take the groups by themselves, generally a higher percentage of Blacks on on it than Whites. So basically, you have the government replace the role the father of the family and that's where the problems started. In a way, wht has happened to the Black family is sort of the prototype of what was to come, i.e., what we are seeing today. I see this in families of all demographic types.

I do see the need for a welfare system but it should be a "hand up" not a "hand out" to where it ought to be a way to "teach a man how to fish" instead of "giving him a fish." unless the person cannot work for some bona-fide (not BS) reason.

This is not feminism per se, but I think out greed in getting the most and best "toys," largest houses and so on is a part of this. Many go into debt and where if they did not have that urge "to keep up with the Joneses," it would be possible for the wife to stay at home and raise the kids.

This does what you and many have said. We men are hardwired to be the providers and fathers/husbands in the family, we take pride and purpose in that, if you take that away, it is like shooting a rudder off of a boat, we will drift shiftlessly and aimlessly in a vast ocean and start acting in a socially rude or irresponsible way. Again, I see it a lot in Black, White, and other people and families.

We do need to get back to God and asking Him for His guidance as a nation, but there are times I wonder if He is in the process of foresaking us, or at least taking His hand of protection away until we wise up. To anyone reading this, please don't take it the wrong way, but I remember Osama Bin Laden talking about America being a "weak horse" soon after 9-11, in many ways, he is being proven correct when you think about all of this PC crap eroding our morals and willpower. I want to prove him and many others like him wrong so we must get our act together. Sure we seem to be doing well in places like Iraq and Afghanistan because we still have many good people left in the country fighting admirably in our Armed Forces and I salute them, but there will be a time when this PC crap will catch up to us and hurt us very much. That's what I'm trying to say. Political correctness will kill us eventually.

But overall, "it is all part of the big plan." (sorry to bum your saying but I'm pinging you, buddy (RCA2000))

[Rca2000]

It makes it a LOT easier, to just use the term "femilezi". It takes care of BOTH of the other terms(feminist and lesbian).