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To: Lukasz

"Never heard of Mr. Rar."

Neither have I. Backbencher at best

"It is quite obvious that the Ukraine needs a chance to join in, ....but.... since the referendums in France and NL the will of our gouvernments to risk anything anymore is completely blocked... The standpoint of the CDU is to wait for a while before new memberships in the EU are even discussed."

That is actually the crux of the matter: Even those governments that favor EU membership for states like Turkey have to accept, that this won't be possible for the next 15 years or so, because it will never pass the necessary referendums in all the EU nations (or at least those that have referendums). Is Schroeder really so stupid to think that the Irish want to pay for Turkish farmers in the near future? No, talk of Turkish EU membership is just a ploy to lure German voters with Turkish ancestry into voting for the SPD.

So, EU membership for Ukraine in the near future is also very unlikely, although the demographics are not quite as scary as in the case of Turkey.

BUT: It is true that there will be a shift in German foreign policy under Angela Merkel. Why? Because Schroeder was always only concerned about his poll numbers and his popularity, that's why he championed the Turkish cause and showed consideration for Vladimir Putin and Russian sensitivities.
Merkel, on the other hand, grew up under a socialist regime and thus has a lot of sympathy for young, east European democracies, even if that means vexing Russia sometimes. That's also why she esteems George W. Bush because she believes that supporting the spread of democracy is the right thing to do.

Plus, the "priviledged partnership" might be just the right tool for that. Ukraine would profit from European subsidies and open access to European markets without the stress on the Ukrainian economy and social systems full EU membership would entail. After all, the EU still is a very competitive market: If they joined tomorrow, EU companies would probably buy most of the "cheap" Ukranian companies while "cheap Ukranian labour" would flood "affluent" neighbors like Poland. The "priviledged partnership" might be just the right tool to facilitate the transition to western standards.

So in a way, yes, Germany might be much more sympathetic towards the Ukrainian cause. If that means EU membership in the end remains to be seen. But it would certainly mean an end to the criminal neglect of "the new Europe" by the Schroeder administration.


6 posted on 08/16/2005 5:08:13 AM PDT by wolf78
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To: wolf78; Atlantic Bridge
I will follow German eastern policy. It would be good if Merkel would notice other countries of the region, beside Russia. I agree that such a "privileged partnership" would be good tool for the beginning.

It is funny that Schroeder want to have a permanent seat in the UN Security Council and in the same time he refuse to take any responsibility for spreading democracy, even in his neighborhood.

7 posted on 08/16/2005 5:39:42 AM PDT by Lukasz
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To: wolf78; Lukasz

"....BUT: It is true that there will be a shift in German foreign policy under Angela Merkel. Why? Because Schroeder was always only concerned about his poll numbers and his popularity, that's why he championed the Turkish cause and showed consideration for Vladimir Putin and Russian sensitivities.
Merkel, on the other hand, grew up under a socialist regime and thus has a lot of sympathy for young, east European democracies, even if that means vexing Russia sometimes. That's also why she esteems George W. Bush because she believes that supporting the spread of democracy is the right thing to do...."


BuHuHaHa! Merkel is as interested in her poll popularity as Schroeder is it.


A little example:


She and her secretary Kauder would not have joined in into Schroeders middle east policy if they could ignore the will of their voters:


http://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/0,1518,369874,00.html


(Sorry - just in German, but it is not worth to translate this BS)


Her party excluded like Schroeder the millitary option to prevent a Iranian nuclear warhead. This is undermining the position of President Bush, the Polish government etc. etc. etc.. The reasons are simple: There is a vast majority of Germans who refuse any kind of war except defending Germany itselves. Even though she will not provoke the US like Schroeder did, she will not help in Iraq or elsewhere at all. Therefore the Germans will vote for her.


Although I wish for several reasons that Angela Merkel will become the next chancellor, the relations between eastern Europe and Germany will be much more complicated under her reign than under Schroeder.


The reasons are simple:


1. In difference to Schroeder she has to consider the interests of the expelled, since they are a fundamental part of her own party, the "conservative" CDU. Therefore it is quite likely, that a change in the politcal leadership in Germany is going to lead to a a centre against expulsions in Berlin, which will be focused on the suffering of German victims of the final phase of WWII. I am afraid, that Poland and the Czech republic have only little possibility to take influence on certain decisions in Berlin if the CDU/CSU will make the race. The new gouvernment under Merkel will also put some pressure on the Czechs because of the continuous validity of the Beneš-Dekrees.


All this BS will lead to some irritations, but not to real problems between our countries, because Merkel will not emphasize on material compensation. => Nothing but hot air.


2. Many voters (not nessesarily the leaders) of the CDU have dumb prejudices against eastern Europeans. This will make it difficult for Merkel (who wants to be re-voted) to give Ukraine or other Nations a real chance... This will be a real problem.


I told wolf before, that I do not trust in anything anymore.


9 posted on 08/16/2005 7:06:49 AM PDT by Atlantic Bridge (O tempora! O mores!)
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