Posted on 08/14/2005 6:00:25 PM PDT by Jeff Head
What do you expect with all the seamen (ba-dum BUM) on board?
I agree that a few additional carriers would be good, but subs are where there is a real shortage developing. If you got desparate, you could always use a couple of the new Amphibs as light carriers (The would be as good as anything else afloat) but there is no substitute for an attack sub.
If nothing else the Varyag with be used for training purposes. I don't think the Chinese would be stupid enough to deploy it. It maybe the next step in understanding of carrier operations since they are new to the game. How many of their pilots have ever landed on a carrier at sea? Do they have know carrier safety procedures, such fire suppression? I can imagine their first few attempts at landing on carrier at sea will be very interesting. I am suggesting it will be a long time before you see sizable numbers of Chinese Carriers on the high seas.
I believe it will be some time too. I also believe they will attempt to ramp that up as fast as they can and that they will lose quite a few people doing so. We certainly have lost some of our own...and continue to do so. Flight ops are inherantly dangerous, even with experience.
I am sure they are trying to build a carrier. So what? They are going to deploy one half-@$$ed carrier against the entire USN? How long is it going to take 'em to work up an air group? IF the Chinks want to sink massive amounts of money into something we're already experts at killing, that's their perogative.
There are a lot of scary things going on in the PRC, but PLAN naval aviation is probably the least of our problems. I'd be be more worried about the large number of advanced diesel / electric subs they are building or buying, esp. with the decay of our ASW assets.
I am more concerned about their subs and new DDG's than the carrier. But going forward with a carrier, IMHO, it representative of long term ambitions, beyond even the issue with Taiwan, that are concerning. There are many folks here on FR and elsewhere interested in and watching that and so I posted this to that interest.
Thanks for your comments...I agree with them.
With its longer range and heavier payload...it is the best sub-sonic ASM on the planet. Harpoon and its SLAM derivitives fall in line behind that IMHO.
You are welcome AG! Thanks for the reply and BUMP.
You are quite welcome! Here's another bump!
I respectfully disagree about Harpoon. It's okay for soft targets, I guess. It's also a good weapon against surface submarines. Originally, it was designed to climb at the end of it's run and dive into the target to give it a chance to penetrate the targe but that made it way to easy to shoot down. I saw, with my own eyes, a Harpoon fired from USS Hayler (DD-997) fail to sink a 50ft tug.
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actually, its a two way street -- in time of war or threat of war we can always repudiate the debt, or forceably convert the instruments to "war bonds" with a mandatory holding period...
Thanks for the info on your experience. I just know that they did fine in February of 1986 against the Lybians, sinking or misison killing three vessels, a Soviet-supplied Nanuchka-class missile corvette, another Lybian partol boat and a French supplied FAC. All with harpoons fired either by A-6 Intruders or the USS Yorktown.
Check that...it was in March of 1986.
where is the PLAN gonna get that CV power plant and how they gonna drop the engine in without cutting a BIG hole on the side of the ship to fit it in? It'd be like trying to put egg yolk back inside a sealed egg shell.
Granted, nobody really buys the floating casino nonsense, not even the Chinese civilians themselves, who are always in Dailian snapping pics and posting on the Internet and speculating amongst themselves on what's going on with the Varyag. I can see PLAN studying the heck out of the Varyag to learn all they can about carrier construction ...
But turning it into a real operational CV? Can't see it, not even as a practice platform if you can't get the carrier out in the ocean with enough speed and wind to do real carrier ops and that would require ... uh, back to the no engine problem ...
If they want to refit it they could...and it would be cheaper than building one from scratch.
Now, whether they will do it or not remains to be seen...but they have been working on it for over a year and no one knows exactly what that work has entailed.
Excellent examples of soft targets. There was some thought given to used Hellfire against targets like that (SH-60F has been backfitted with them), since they're smaller and less expensive...but they're so fast (950mph) that they punched straight through the target.
The Chinese are preparing for war, but their history shows that they are looking to expand their borders incrementally. They'll be more interested in gaining influence over the natural resources of Siberia in the next twenty years over fighting us, you can be certain.
It's the threat that they'll not buy our debt. The last time they hinted they'd switch to Euro-denominated debt, the NYSE sunk 150 points in hours.
A debtor country really, really has to obey the golden rule: he who has the gold makes the rules.
I say it again and again: we're not going to war with China. The suits are making too much money off their slave labor. However, we have treaties with FREE peoples in the region, and the communists will make a move on them, eventually.
Only time will tell if we live up to our treaty obligations; we didn't with South Vietnam.
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