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To: aft_lizard
Oh you absolutely did say that.

No, I didn't. And the reason you don't seem to understand that is the same reason you don't understand that the levitical laws have nothing whatever to do with Christianity. Because you know nothing about it beyond, evidently, what someone told you or taught you in utter ignorance or as an argumentation tactic.

Tell me where in the NT does it say its OK to eat fish without scales...

The Book of Acts chapter 10 is a good starting point.

Acts 10:15 "And the voice [spake] unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, [that] call not thou common."

..the apostles later discussed the issue together and dealt with what would be required to teach to the Gentiles. The new covenant that created Christianity is not Judaism. It is in fulfillment of Judaism. Christ's sacrifice closed the old sacrificial system and did away with any need for sacrifice by doing it once for all time. In Christianity, there is no blood sacrifice - it just took one to seal the covenant. One that cannot, will not and need not be repeated again ever.

What's the upshot of that? Under the old covenant sacrificial system and law, one could be forgiven of certain types of sin by sacrificing animals to God for different sins. It's a sacrifice because oft times the animal they gave over to God might otherwise sustain them physically for a time and represented large investments. More could be said in that vein; but, it's unimportant. Under the law, there were many things so disgusting and evil in God's site that people were to be put to death rather than to have their actions spread. Homosexuality and Lesbianism were among them, as well as the killing - even inadvertantly - of an unborn child. Wrongs before God and man were dealt with on the level of "an eye for an eye". If you leave the power to create in the hands of someone, as God, and they think it worth running through their intestines and crapping out on the ground, what judgement do you put upon them in their disrespect for the means of creating life? Simple, you deprive them of what they disrespect just as you would deprive a murderer for the same reason - disrespect of life and God's creation and will. The problem with the levitical law in the end was that it was left in the hands of men to enforce. And that ended up meaning the sales of forgiveness. Going to the temple, one could buy animals for sacrifice at a price. If they couldn't afford the beast and couldn't find one because of the capitolistic nature, they were tough out of luck. Money for forgiveness was the economy of the priests. That is what enraged Christ when he overturned the moneychanger's tables at the Temple. They were selling God's forgiveness for profit. And they had no compunction that this might be wrong.

Christ therefore took this upon himself as a final sacrifice and took forgiveness of sin out of the hands of the priests as well as punishment for sin. God reserves both now to himself and gives away forgiveness freely while punishing individually. In the doing, the levitical laws became an artifact. Men could no longer take the life of another man - which was also abused. That authority was removed to prevent further abuse. But, even now, there are sects that attempt to tell you that you must get forgiveness from a priesthood and the like - attempting successfully in some caases to burden people with untruths for the gain of their priesthood - forgiveness for profit. The difference is that today, people taken in by it have no one to blame but themselves .. for not reading that it's free.

That's the nutshell of it. God bent over backwards to make forgiveness accessable for men. He paid the price for men so they wouldn't have to buy it and couldn't be blackmailed to get the access.. etc. God has made more than a best effort attempt to help man see his folly and change his ways. Man has but to do so and heed God. It's that simple. But most won't. They'll go to hell complaining about how bad the world and life are only to find that Hell is worse because God isn't in Hell to intervene. People can be nasty, murderous and unjust to the nth degree on earth with God here to intervene.. how much moreso in God's utter absence. The world of today is man's making and man's mess, not God's. God gave us choice to do what we will and what we see today is the product of all our choices - not his. I'm sure the evos don't teach you that either..

656 posted on 08/20/2005 12:25:59 AM PDT by Havoc (Reagan was right and so was McKinley. Down with free trade. Hang the traitors high)
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To: Havoc

My understanding of what you just wrote was Jesus took the punishment of sins upon himself so that we may not be punished wholly by man for breaking Gods word against us but rather individually by God himself. So in essence you are attempting to say that because sin has been removed from the judgement of man, we can break the levitical laws.

Is it not still a sin?

It seems to me that the NT still doesnt say break the levitical laws, but rather it isnt upon anyman to judge another man, thats between him and God.

So please tell me once again, when did you become God so that you may judge me?


683 posted on 08/20/2005 10:03:21 AM PDT by aft_lizard (This space waiting for a post election epiphany it now is: Question Everything)
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