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THE GATHERING STORM IN IRAN
Yahoo! News ^ | Fri Aug 12, 6:21 PM ET | Richard Reeves

Posted on 08/12/2005 11:43:27 PM PDT by F14 Pilot

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1 posted on 08/12/2005 11:43:30 PM PDT by F14 Pilot
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The United States, the West and the world have to try to persuade or bribe Iran to play by world rules.

They want nukes, pure and simple.  Nothing will stop them at this point.  They may even "agree" to stop, but like, North Korea, it'll be a lie.

We need to realize this and stop pretending that the diplomatic process is working.  It's not.

2 posted on 08/12/2005 11:49:30 PM PDT by softwarecreator (Facts are to liberals as holy water is to vampires)
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To: F14 Pilot
These are bad people -- not the people of Iran, but the people running the country. During their long war with Iraq in the 1980s, the mullahs gave their own children little slips of paper they called "tickets to paradise" and then sent the kids running into minefields, blowing themselves up so that regular troops could advance into battle.

Disgusting!
But last I heard these "bad people" were elected by the people in a landslide election victory. The Iranian situation is now coming into focus as the free world's real dilemma!

3 posted on 08/12/2005 11:52:18 PM PDT by ThirstyMan
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Well then the whole populace of Iran needs to be warned.


4 posted on 08/12/2005 11:54:04 PM PDT by The Red Zone (Florida, the sun-shame state, and Illinois the chicken injun.)
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These bad people were CHOSEN by supreme leader of the country in a sham election!

People of Iran are different than the illegitimate regime representing them


5 posted on 08/12/2005 11:55:22 PM PDT by F14 Pilot (Democracy is a process not a product)
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To: F14 Pilot

In that case, they need to get off their assets and shoot every one of their "mullahs".

If we have to go in, and it's starting to look like it will be necessary, it won't be pretty.


6 posted on 08/13/2005 12:25:13 AM PDT by clee1 (We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling.)
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I think you haven't heard enough about riots in West of Iran and recent protests in Tehran


7 posted on 08/13/2005 12:27:27 AM PDT by F14 Pilot (Democracy is a process not a product)
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To: F14 Pilot

An Armenian Christian fellow raised in his early years in Iran just got back from there and described current Iran as scary and stated we will have to be at war with them very soon.
He stated everyone over there were talking terrorism agaisnt America.


8 posted on 08/13/2005 12:30:08 AM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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Check this

Btw, what do you mean by EVERY ONE?

9 posted on 08/13/2005 12:36:34 AM PDT by F14 Pilot (Democracy is a process not a product)
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The crisis of the day is real. The irony is, too. The Iranian situation, complicated by the fact that it is an oil-producing country feeding the dependency of countries that would otherwise be its adversaries, starkly illustrates the inherent weakness of American unilateralism. Superpower is not enough. The United States, the West and the world have to try to persuade or bribe Iran to play by world rules. The alternative is preventive war on some level, and we are seeing the results of that policy just across the border in Iraq.

What useful idiots these liberals are! Their solution is always appeasement and avoidance of reality. He's accusing us of unilateralism!!!? On this one we let his beloved EU (France Germany and England) take the lead and do it their way, and look how well it's worked.

So what's his solution? We need a better and more aggressive appeasement program. Of course if that doesn't work, then he'll get really nasty and hand it over to the UN where they will implement another oil-for-food program and show them what real consequences are all about.

10 posted on 08/13/2005 12:39:28 AM PDT by aquila48
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Every one means in general, he heard lots of people talking about wanting to go against America with terrorism.

It seemed to be a common theme among many there.

He happens to be Christian, but most of Iran seemed more crazed than ever this visit.

I don't think he's going back.


11 posted on 08/13/2005 12:46:31 AM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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Did he talk to regular people or Militants and a&$ holes?


12 posted on 08/13/2005 12:52:09 AM PDT by F14 Pilot (Democracy is a process not a product)
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To: A CA Guy

This post about the guy who got back from Iran concerns me.

FR and Instapundit make it seem like 95% of the population of Iran loves America and wants to overthrow their government. So what gives with this idea that "lots of people are talking terror against America"?

What is the percentage of pro-American people in Iran? Tehran? I have assumed that we wouldn't nuke Tehran if the Iranian leaders nuked an American city, because of a 95% pro-American population. What is the reality? What websites can show me more of the reality?


13 posted on 08/13/2005 12:52:49 AM PDT by GermanBusiness
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To: F14 Pilot

He didn't look for militants. That is what was scary, the place was far more filled with militant types than his last visit years before.
He left early and didn't want to go back.

He's been removing family from Iran over at least the last 7 years.


14 posted on 08/13/2005 1:02:59 AM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: GermanBusiness

Iran already have a pro-America and somewhat pro-Israel populance

No body can give an exact number but in a poll conducted by the regime in 2000, 74% of Iranians stated that they want normalized relations with the USA

Actually, Iranian people were in favor of war in Iraq

And thousands of Iranians held candle vigils for 9/11 victims on Sep 13th, 2001 in downtown Tehran

And Iranian people are more open to westen culture and modernity than any other mideastern nation.

There might be some liberals or leftists among Iranians but they do not want to kill Americans.

One important issue is that we have to understand the differences between the illegitimate regime of Mullahs and freedom-loving Iranians.


15 posted on 08/13/2005 1:05:46 AM PDT by F14 Pilot (Democracy is a process not a product)
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To: GermanBusiness
This fellow said they tried to force a Koran on him there and that most hate America and are looking forward to acting out various acts of terrorism out here.

Based on this guy who was there kind of recently, there is no love for America there at all.

This person thought that for sure we would have to be at war with them soon since they were so fervent in their hatred of us.
16 posted on 08/13/2005 1:05:53 AM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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The Big Picture - Surprising: The Iranian Street is Pro-America

http://www.bigpicweblog.com/exp/index.php/weblog/comments/the_iranian_street_is_pro_america/


17 posted on 08/13/2005 1:07:28 AM PDT by F14 Pilot (Democracy is a process not a product)
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To: F14 Pilot

Nothing was pro-American according to this person's recent visit to Iran.
I wish it were so that it was.


18 posted on 08/13/2005 1:10:34 AM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: A CA Guy

Did he travel to my country or to Pakistan?


19 posted on 08/13/2005 1:11:28 AM PDT by Khashayar (No Banana Allowed!)
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To: A CA Guy; F14 Pilot; freedom44; nuconvert

It sounds he was in pakistan


20 posted on 08/13/2005 1:12:14 AM PDT by Khashayar (No Banana Allowed!)
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