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Pro-Choice but Anti-Naral
NY Times ^ | August 13, 2005 | JOHN TIERNEY

Posted on 08/12/2005 9:48:23 PM PDT by neverdem

My position on abortion has been, as politicians put it, evolving. I was once pro-choice and a contributor to Naral. Now I'm pro-choice but anti-Naral.

The group has a genius for alienating potential allies, as demonstrated by the television commercial it introduced this week and then hastily withdrew after a barrage of criticism. The ad, which featured footage of a bombed abortion clinic and a victim in a wheelchair, accused Judge John Roberts Jr. of siding with clinic bombers and having an ideology that would "excuse" their attacks.

What Mr. Roberts actually did, on behalf of the administration of the first President George Bush, was to write a brief supporting the right of people to protest at abortion clinics, not bomb them. His argument was not only reasonable, but also exposed a fundamental problem in the way Naral Pro-Choice America has framed the abortion issue.

The case involved a law forbidding conspiracies against a "class of persons," which was enacted during Reconstruction to protect blacks from the Ku Klux Klan. Mr. Roberts argued (and the Supreme Court agreed) that the law didn't apply to the protesters at abortion clinics because they weren't discriminating against all women, just the women seeking abortions.

If that argument sounds reactionary, it's only because Naral and other groups have worked so long to make abortion a civil rights issue, presenting it as women's fight for freedom against an oppressive patriarchy. The tactic makes for displays of solidarity like the March for Women's Lives, an occasion for denouncing male anti-abortion politicians and waving signs with that perennial slogan "If men got pregnant, abortion would be a sacrament."

It's true that pregnancy is a uniquely female burden and that most pro-life politicians are men - but then, so are most pro-choice politicians. There's no gender gap in...

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: District of Columbia
KEYWORDS: abortion; johngjr; naral; roberts; silentscream; supremecourt
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If I had to bet, Tierney is a small 'l' libertarian.
1 posted on 08/12/2005 9:48:24 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

The older I get, the more science advances, the closer up I see new life blossoming, the harder it becomes to defend the so-called pro-choice stance.


2 posted on 08/12/2005 9:53:35 PM PDT by veronica
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To: neverdem

The fact that this guy is "Pro-choice but anti-NARAL" shows that the pro-choice movement has essentially become pro-abortion. They'll never admit it, but that's what they've become. "Pro-choice" is codespeak for "Pro-abortion." Just look a NARAL.


3 posted on 08/12/2005 9:57:08 PM PDT by SunnyD1182
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*at NARAL, that is.

"Pro-choice", if the phrase actually meant what it was supposed to mean, would refer to those in the middle, who prefer neither banning nor promoting abortion. The President's stance fits that.

4 posted on 08/12/2005 9:58:17 PM PDT by SunnyD1182
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To: SunnyD1182

President's stance fits that.

Meaning what?


5 posted on 08/12/2005 10:01:33 PM PDT by tbird5
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To: tbird5

Well, tbird5, if the President doesn't throw himself in front of every woman entering a Planned Parenthood clinic, he just isn't dedicated enough to be truly pro-life.


6 posted on 08/12/2005 10:05:29 PM PDT by mcg1969
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To: neverdem

All the lefties were running as fast and as far as they could from NARAL yesterday.


7 posted on 08/12/2005 10:07:15 PM PDT by soupcon
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To: neverdem

More like small "l" ludricrous moron


8 posted on 08/12/2005 10:08:33 PM PDT by Fledermaus (I wish those on the Left would just do us all a favor and take themselves out of their misery.)
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To: SunnyD1182
"Pro-choice but anti-NARAL" shows that the pro-choice movement has essentially become pro-abortion. They'll never admit it, but that's what they've become. "Pro-choice" is codespeak for "Pro-abortion." Just look a NARAL.

That's true.

Then again, I don't think there really is a 'pro choice' position that is an ethical and moral position when it comes to life. It's not a choice, it's a life. And when it's a life, you have no choice but to protect it unless it is guilty of a capital crime. Even then you have to protect life until it is taken through due process of law.

9 posted on 08/12/2005 10:13:06 PM PDT by Terriergal (What is the meaning of life?? Man's chief end is to glorify God and to enjoy him for ever.)
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To: Fledermaus

ha!


10 posted on 08/12/2005 10:13:16 PM PDT by Terriergal (What is the meaning of life?? Man's chief end is to glorify God and to enjoy him for ever.)
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To: neverdem

This man actually makes sense. He eloquently restates the case for kicking the issue back to the states and letting the people have their say.

He has more confidence in the opinion of his fellow americans than the feminazies. Most unusual for a liberal.


11 posted on 08/12/2005 10:15:37 PM PDT by sinanju
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This man actually makes sense. He eloquently restates the case for kicking the issue back to the states and letting the people have their say.

He has more confidence in the opinion of his fellow americans than the feminazies. Most unusual for a liberal.

Do you think a liberal would write, Recycling Is Garbage?

12 posted on 08/12/2005 10:27:17 PM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: neverdem

There are plenty of people who believe that things that are morally wrong do not of necessity have to be illegal.

It comes down to the best uses of force in our society - and the costs involved.



13 posted on 08/12/2005 10:33:00 PM PDT by JmyBryan
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To: tbird5

The President's stance is no abortion except in the cases of rape, incest, or woman's life being in danger. That's fairly pro-choice. I think it is a sensible moderate position. That is truly pro-choice. Meanwhile, so called "pro-choicers" are radically pro-abortion, when you take into account their support of partial birth abortion and opposition to parental notification.


14 posted on 08/12/2005 10:33:17 PM PDT by SunnyD1182
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To: veronica

Liberals - champions of murder, treason and socialism.


15 posted on 08/12/2005 10:50:48 PM PDT by Noumenon (Activist judges - out of touch, out of tune, but not out of reach.)
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To: SunnyD1182

"The President's stance is no abortion except in the cases of rape, incest, or woman's life being in danger. That's fairly pro-choice."

Most people call that pro-life. VERY few people oppose abortion when the mother is likely to die; as for rape and incest, I disagree with those exceptions, but those are very commonly cited by people who consider themselves pro-life.


16 posted on 08/12/2005 10:52:24 PM PDT by BackInBlack ("The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice.")
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To: sinanju

"Most unusual for a liberal."

He's not a liberal. He's a libertarian -- and even then, a libertarian who is thoughtful on cultural issues, as demonstrated in the piece above. Thumbs up to John Tierney.


17 posted on 08/12/2005 10:54:00 PM PDT by BackInBlack ("The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice.")
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To: Terriergal
It's not a choice, it's a life.

Well put!

18 posted on 08/12/2005 11:01:14 PM PDT by ThirstyMan
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To: neverdem
If you believe that life begins at conception, then protecting women's rights means protecting the rights of females in the womb, too.

Feminists, "believe that life begins at conception" only when abortion is used by cultures that abort females so that they can have male offspring.

Otherwise, as far as feminists are concerned, life for an infant begins when its mother no longer "has issues".

19 posted on 08/12/2005 11:04:47 PM PDT by Polybius
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Otherwise, as far as feminists are concerned, life for an infant begins when its mother no longer "has issues".

Well said. "Issues" make me erect antennae.

20 posted on 08/13/2005 12:09:16 AM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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