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IS TAIWAN A POSSESSION OF THE UNITED STATES?
To the Point News ^ | 8/11/05 | Jack Wheeler

Posted on 08/12/2005 8:09:06 PM PDT by abigail2

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To: Jeff Head
But I know this, many, many in the ROC would welcome becoming our 51st state

That would be a slap at the Chicoms, huh?  As you said, it's not going to happen, but it is a nice thought.

21 posted on 08/12/2005 8:25:23 PM PDT by softwarecreator (Facts are to liberals as holy water is to vampires)
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To: muawiyah

Taiwan has taken on the role of a protectorate. It might be considered a protectorate rather than a territory, which would explain why it doesn't have a territorial governor.


22 posted on 08/12/2005 8:26:25 PM PDT by RightWhale (Withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty and open the Land Office)
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To: RightWhale
We used to. It all changed under Carter...but Kissinger, under Nixon, got the ball rolling. For almost 30 years we recognized the ROC as the rightful government in China, ousted by a communist revoultion and take over which resulted in a 60 million death "cultural revoultion".

It is barbaric that we would change horses and back that same communist government, guilty of all those deaths, and leave a burgoning free people in the lurch. Our Congress recognized the incongruity of that and passed the Taiwan Relations Act, promising our support and defense should the need arise.

I am afraid that the need is going to soon arise.

23 posted on 08/12/2005 8:26:44 PM PDT by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: abigail2

try this one-

http://www.tothepointnews.com/


24 posted on 08/12/2005 8:27:59 PM PDT by Peelod (Decentia est fragilis. Curatoribus validis indiget.)
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To: muawiyah

That short, sweet war, the one we are still paying for on our phone bills.


25 posted on 08/12/2005 8:28:25 PM PDT by RightWhale (Withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty and open the Land Office)
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To: softwarecreator

The UN would step in declaring Taiwan part of China and the US would not veto.


26 posted on 08/12/2005 8:28:30 PM PDT by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: Jeff Head

Oh, yeah. Nothing seems to be derailing that train.


27 posted on 08/12/2005 8:29:57 PM PDT by RightWhale (Withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty and open the Land Office)
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To: abigail2

There seems to be something wrong with the link to the source of this article.

Can you provide it again, please?


28 posted on 08/12/2005 8:30:11 PM PDT by Dr. Marten ((http://thehorsesmouth.blog-city.com))
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To: abigail2

Maybe a Certified Letter needs to be delivered to Bejing, to let them know, LOL!


29 posted on 08/12/2005 8:34:27 PM PDT by agincourt1415 (4 More Years of NEW SHERIFF IN TOWN!)
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To: ncountylee
The UN would step in declaring Taiwan part of China and the US would not veto

Yeah, but judging by past actions, it will take the UN approximately 10 years to do it.

30 posted on 08/12/2005 8:34:50 PM PDT by softwarecreator (Facts are to liberals as holy water is to vampires)
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To: RightWhale

Noone has an embassy there, other than a few very small nations that get large handouts from Taipei to recognize the ROC as 'China'. We don't have an embassy there because Nixon decided that the PRC was the real China and that Taiwan was a rogue province, albeit one whose roguery we'd fight to defend. It's a little more complicated than that, but not much.


31 posted on 08/12/2005 8:35:01 PM PDT by cambridge
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To: Jeff Head

Here's a link to the Taiwanese Relations Act


32 posted on 08/12/2005 8:37:41 PM PDT by abigail2 ('The difficulty of the task is no excuse for avoiding it.' George Bush Inaugural Speech '05)
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To: abigail2
Here's a link to the Taiwanese Relations Act

Is it a secret link?

33 posted on 08/12/2005 8:41:19 PM PDT by softwarecreator (Facts are to liberals as holy water is to vampires)
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To: muawiyah

Portugal just sighted and named the island. It was not a nationa for a long time, just a collection of tribes, the teh Chinese moved in and staked a claim and 'kind of' ran it, although on a very long leash. Then the Japanese got hold of it - many older, 70+ Taiwanese are still recall the Japanese - not Mandarin - they were taught in school. Then afte the Japanese left the Chinese moved in in 1949. They were not welcomed by the locals. Chiang Kai-Shek, a fine man in many respects, was also a bad man in many respects, as were many of his 'associates'. They came to the island and treated the locals not too well, also enforced their notions of a Chinese identity on the place - curtailed the use of Taiwanese language, customs and culture. There were 30 years or so of police state unpleasantness that is still fresh with in the middle and south of the island. This is reflected in the nation's current political scene, split between the pro-Beijing KMT [yes...they were against Beijing before they were for them] and the pro-Independence, closer ties with America DPP [who also happen to be the more 'liberal' party in terms of economics, social issues].

Taiwan is an interesting problem, but one, like Jerusalem, that doesn't get much tidier the more you look at it.


34 posted on 08/12/2005 8:43:13 PM PDT by cambridge
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To: Jeff Head; Travis McGee
[ Not going to happen...but I know a lot of people there would welcome it. ]

Wheeler is a pistol...LoL.. We can't or won't protect the Mexican border and now we must protect Taiwan.?. LoL.. But then, protecting Taiwan would take more eyes OFF the Mexican border.. then theres the Mars probes.. YET we cannot build even a wee little bitty fence from Brownsville to San Diego..

Hell, China(Tsin Dynasty) built a wall 1500.. no almost 2500 miles long with all the spurs 30 feet high 25 feet at the bottom and 15 feet at the top with 25000 parapets and 15000 detached parapets all with no bull dozer's or even a bobcat all done with rice burners as labor.. and it worked too..

And a little bitty fence is UNDOABLE.?. Many Americans would VOLUNTEER to patrol the damned thing.. Wouldn't stop them all but it would put a serious dent in the invasion..

35 posted on 08/12/2005 8:46:13 PM PDT by hosepipe (This Propaganda has been edited to include not a small amount of Hyperbole..)
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To: abigail2

who's on first?... LOL


36 posted on 08/12/2005 8:46:41 PM PDT by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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To: RightWhale
Yes, that war ~ at the time, however, both the Japanese and a Chinese warlord had a "presence" on the island. Still, I don't think either of them bothered to ask us to give up the island to them.

Frankly, it probably slipped their minds entirely.

To think through this issue of ownership of the island properly you must differentiate between Republic of China and Formosa. ROC is more properly a mainland government presently located on Formosa as an emergency measure.

The desirable outcome is that this government returns to China.

37 posted on 08/12/2005 8:47:03 PM PDT by muawiyah (/ hey coach do I gotta' put in that "/sarcasm " thing again?)
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To: abigail2
The Taiwan Relations Act was the act that established the US policy of defending Taiwan and also recognizing the Cicom government as the government of china.
38 posted on 08/12/2005 8:50:55 PM PDT by minus_273
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To: cambridge
Hey, you jumped over several hundred years of European activity on Formosa ~ from when Portugal found and named the island to the 20th Century ~ very long time.

Remember, Portugal lost its sovereignty several times to Spain since 1538, and Spain even lost its sovereignty to France in the Napoleonic Wars.

That, BTW, was another route for our acquisition of Formosa. I don't think Napoleon realized that he owned the place (through his ownership of Spain), and when he sold "Louisiana", he was selling a parcel of land where Spain's title rested solely on the decision of the Pope to carve up all the new found lands between Spain and Portugal! Without a demonstration that Taiwan was affirmatively identified as part of the Philippines, it has to be assumed it was part of some other place, and Louisiana would satisfy the condition of ownership found in the Pope's decision.

NOTE: The US government went out of its way to authenticate the titles to property held by the Catholic Church in California at the time of our takeover, so there's no reason we would reject the authority of the Catholic Church regarding other property claims.

39 posted on 08/12/2005 8:55:14 PM PDT by muawiyah (/ hey coach do I gotta' put in that "/sarcasm " thing again?)
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To: kellynla

bump


40 posted on 08/12/2005 8:58:27 PM PDT by tophat9000
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