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We're All Global Warmers Now
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| August 11, 2005
| Ronald Bailey
Posted on 08/12/2005 5:14:24 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: Jim_Curtis
Climate Change, not just global warming.
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posted on
08/12/2005 10:52:33 PM PDT
by
Gondring
(I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
To: bitt; El Gato; JudyB1938; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Robert A. Cook, PE; lepton; LadyDoc; jb6; tiamat; ...
(Post Traumatic) Stress disorder cases face scrutiny VA to begin yearlong review Since this is a national story, I will post it if I can, but not in chat. Would someone let me know by FReepmail if there's a FReeper with a Veterans ping list.
Bitt, would you please post this as a regular article, F.D.A. Imposes Tougher Rules for Acne Drug? Thank you in advance. The admin mods might go crazy on me with 2 articles, even though they both involve government decisions.
If you have joined my health and science ping list in the last few months or so, make sure you check the link in comment# 31, "Global Warming on Mars?" FReepmail me if you want on or off my health and science ping list.
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posted on
08/12/2005 11:26:14 PM PDT
by
neverdem
(May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
To: neverdem; 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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posted on
08/12/2005 11:39:12 PM PDT
by
GummyIII
(If you have the ability, it's your responsibility." Marine Sgt. John Place, Silver Star recipient)
To: neverdem
Excellent read, and one I've bookmarked. Thank you. There are two types of information I follow closer than other types : 1)Global warming studies and 2)stem cell research. I don't know if you've seen these article, but they are interesting:
Increasing Carbon Dioxide and Global Climate Change and Unilateral and Right
From the latter:
That's why a new study, funded in part by NASA and announced in a Harvard University press release on Monday, is so important. The study concludes that, contrary to popular belief, "Many records reveal that the 20th century is likely not the warmest nor a uniquely extreme climatic period of the last millennium" [emphasis in the study]....
...Soon is quoted as saying: "Many true research advances in reconstructing ancient climates have occurred over the past two decades, so we felt it was time to pull together a large sample of recent studies from the last five to ten years and look for patterns of variability and change...
"In fact, clear patterns did emerge showing that regions worldwide experienced the highs of the Medieval Warm Period and lows of the Little Ice Age, and that 20th century temperatures are generally cooler than during the medieval warmth." ...
And my favorite quote from this...Needless to say, there were no SUVs 1,000 years ago.
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posted on
08/12/2005 11:53:07 PM PDT
by
GummyIII
(If you have the ability, it's your responsibility." Marine Sgt. John Place, Silver Star recipient)
To: neverdem
What am I gonna do with all those heavy coats I bought in the 70's when the "NEW ICE AGE" was all the rage? Trade them in for shorts and Hawaiian shirts?
To: GummyIII; All
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posted on
08/13/2005 12:22:44 AM PDT
by
neverdem
(May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
To: patton
I don't mean to attack you, but you recall something that never happened. NO climate model has ever been validated.
I didn't say a climate model was validated. I did refer to real-world events, i.e. more folks are complaining about glaciers shrinking than growing, a martian phenomena explained by solar warming and temperature data that it's getting warmer.
IMHO, from stories that I've read about solar radiation observed by satellites and sunspot activty seen on earth, the sun is the main culprit. This story just dealt with the observed warming trend. It said nothing about the utility of the proposed remedy from the left, i.e. limiting emissions of "greenhouse gases", especially carbon dioxide.
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posted on
08/13/2005 1:05:14 AM PDT
by
neverdem
(May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
To: Gondring
Are cold winter temperatures a sign of global warming? :- )Climate Change, not just global warming.
You are saying that cold winter temperatures are a sign of global warming ( as well as something else you are calling climate change ). Is that correct?
To: Jim_Curtis
Colder winters
might be a sign of climate change. The actual predictions are generally of more extremes in weather, not just "Global Warming". That is, the models that predict the warming (
on average) also predict that the winters will be colder.
Perhaps think of it this way...both the mean and the standard deviation are predicted to increase.
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posted on
08/13/2005 6:40:46 AM PDT
by
Gondring
(I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
To: Gondring
Colder winters might be a sign of climate change. The actual predictions are generally of more extremes in weather, not just "Global Warming". That is, the models that predict the warming (on average) also predict that the winters will be colder. Perhaps think of it this way...both the mean and the standard deviation are predicted to increase. During past eras of global warming, were the winters extremely cold?
To: Gondring
It was a joke. Anyway, it's hubris to think that a) we're the agents of climate change and b) we can really do anything constructive about it.
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posted on
08/13/2005 7:21:00 AM PDT
by
thoughtomator
(Free Michael Graham!)
To: neverdem
Thanks... good to see a judge with a little sense.
(And I thought I was up late...)
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posted on
08/13/2005 8:44:27 AM PDT
by
GummyIII
(If you have the ability, it's your responsibility." Marine Sgt. John Place, Silver Star recipient)
To: neverdem
I agree with you, on that.
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posted on
08/13/2005 8:53:31 AM PDT
by
patton
("Hard Drive Cemetary" - forthcoming best seller)
To: Jim_Curtis
During past eras of global warming, were the winters extremely cold? When you get around to answering that question, answer this one too:
If our next winter is warmer than average, will that be a sign that the Kyoto treaty is less necessary or more necessary?
To: MassRepublican
While there may be rock hard science that the globe is warming - that is not the same as PROVING that it is caused by CO2 emissions. There have been long cycles of heating and cooling before man ever left his cave It is not the same as PROVING that it is caused by CO2 emissions that are the result of human activity.
You already see them blaming the greenhouse gasses on methane from Siberian tundra. Man will be reduced to the trigger of the trigger in the greeny whacko's eye.
I also love how all the data shows that it hasn't been this warm in XX years. Which, of course, means that natural cycles have made it this warm before.
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posted on
08/13/2005 3:19:12 PM PDT
by
tbeatty
(I didn't claw my way to the top of the food chain to eat salad.)
To: neverdem
""Anyone still holding onto the idea that there is no global warming ought to hang it up. All data sets--satellite, surface, and balloon--have been pointing to rising global temperatures. ""
yes, but is it man made..seems awfullly narcisistic to think global wamring can only occur with the hand of man
To: neverdem
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posted on
08/13/2005 9:44:46 PM PDT
by
Kevin OMalley
(No, not Freeper#95235, Freeper #1165: Charter member, What Was My Login Club.)
To: neverdem
Dead batteries are not exactly environmentally sound.
However, these "far thinking" individuals are not thinking into that future are they?
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posted on
08/14/2005 9:02:19 PM PDT
by
Only1choice____Freedom
(I alone, am the chosen one. Because I alone, did the choosing.)
To: neverdem
Lets try to remember that during the Classical civilizational period, the average temp was 3 degrees higher and yet Rome nor Sparta nor Alexandria were under water....hmmmm how could that be? Even the Sahara was smaller then then it is now!!!
Maybe what the hairy armpit tree huggers really fear is that we'll all start walking around half naked and in togas again and then everyone will see how ugly they are!
My fraternity was a lot like Animal House
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posted on
08/15/2005 8:49:26 AM PDT
by
jb6
(The Atheist/Pagan mind, a quandary wrapped in egoism and served with a side order of self importance)
To: atlanta67
yes, but is it man made..seems awfullly narcisistic to think global wamring can only occur with the hand of manThere was no discussion about why it's getting warmer in the article.
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posted on
08/15/2005 9:11:34 AM PDT
by
neverdem
(May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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