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This is good news. Of course, I am against drunk driving. However, in response to drunk driving deaths, and public outrage against the carnage, the government has done the usual.

Rather than out getting the bad guys, they have decided to make criminals of us all by lowering the threshold of what constitutes criminal behavior.

Studies have shown that most of the carnage is caused by the very drunk, i.e. those in the .2 and above range of drunkenness.

Cops could arrest these guys left and right by waiting outside bars at midnight.

Do they do that? No. Instead they get the threshold of what constitutes DUI lowered to .08, and arrest regular guys who had a couple of beers after work that the cops stopped for speeding or something.

.10, which held in most states for a while, is a reasonable limit. We need to fight the MADD types who want to effectively outlaw drinking and the cops who want to claim success in the war on drunken driving without actually reducing the carnage.

1 posted on 08/12/2005 11:36:02 AM PDT by Rodney King
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Seems any kind of moving violation leads to a guilty until proven innocent situation... not what the Framers intended.

Trajan88

142 posted on 08/12/2005 10:28:29 PM PDT by Trajan88 (www.bullittclub.com)
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for later


149 posted on 08/13/2005 12:38:49 AM PDT by justche (No one can go back and make a brand new start, any one can start now and make a brand new ending)
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MADD drivers are the worst drivers on the road.


157 posted on 08/13/2005 1:16:06 AM PDT by OKIEDOC (There's nothing like hearing someone say thank you for your help.)
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Your Post #1, makes sense. Unfortunately, the lawyer dominated local, regional, state and national legislatures have no desire to do the "....reasonable man...." thing. It would mean all those 'officers of the court' find a productive profession.


166 posted on 08/13/2005 1:41:19 AM PDT by Robert Drobot (Da mihi virtutem contra hostes tuos.)
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Right. When you need my help, I just be over here in the "smoking section", having a cigarette.


186 posted on 08/13/2005 5:01:03 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (God save us from the fury of the do-gooders!)
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I have never been in favor of de facto proof of anything in court. Yes, driving a vehicle while drunk is a very bad thing – but different people have different tolerance for alcohol. Mine is now pretty low. Some may be dangerously impaired at .05, some aren’t even at .10.
187 posted on 08/13/2005 5:03:07 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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Cops could arrest these guys left and right by waiting outside bars at midnight

It happened to a friend of mine who was arrested for his 2nd DUI in 3 years. His life was a literal hell for the next 2 years. Immediate suspension of his license till his court date 6 months later, then another year of suspension followed by another 6 - 12 months of mandatory breating into some monitor they attached to his car. Mandatory AA meetings, mandatory weekly meetings with a psychologist, mandatory witnessing an autopsy at the county morgue of some 87 year old woman whose family was not informed of this. All these mandatory meetings and such are pretty darn difficult to do when one has no transportation. He had to sell his condo in Rochester Hills in order to rent an apartment across the street from his employer because he couldn't drive to work. Till that was accomplished, his son and his boss served as his daily chaufeurs to and from work.

Over $20,000 spent on fines and legal fees..........

The Oakland County judge was a female with a strong affiliation to MADD.......

201 posted on 08/13/2005 10:11:16 AM PDT by Hot Tabasco (What is a homosexual Islamic Jihadist going to do with 72 virgins? Can he give them away?)
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MADD has essentially become a temperance organization.


203 posted on 08/13/2005 11:05:49 AM PDT by Koblenz (Holland: a very tolerant country. Until someone shoots you on a public street in broad daylight...)
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One-size-fits-all laws are the lazy way out.


208 posted on 08/13/2005 11:58:25 AM PDT by Junior (Just because the voices in your head tell you to do things doesn't mean you have to listen to them)
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bttt


210 posted on 08/13/2005 12:00:19 PM PDT by nicmarlo
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Nothing could be finer than reality based law and enforcement.


217 posted on 08/13/2005 12:17:18 PM PDT by takenoprisoner (illegally posting on an expired tag)
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All accidents are caused by people behaving stupidly; stupid people get even dumber when they're drunk.


226 posted on 08/13/2005 1:02:17 PM PDT by Old Professer (As darkness is the absence of light, evil is the absence of good; innocence is blind.)
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I don't drink at all, and my grandfather was killed by a drunk driver, so I have no sympathy whatsoever for DUIs. That said, I still think some of our more recent MADD-inspired laws are "madd." The whole idea of cracking down on drunk drivers was to make them finally take responsibility for their actions. Now, we've gone so far overboard, we're arresting party hosts and bartenders for giving them the booze, which allows them to point the finger of blame at someone other than themselves, the exact opposite of the original intention.

And the open container law we have now in Texas is idiotic. The driver can be charged if anyone in the car is drinking, even if he hasn't had one sip. My wife has to finish her glass of wine at a party and can't take it in the car with her, because they could arrest the driver (me), who hasn't had a drink of anything alcoholic in 30 years. How in the hell arresting people who aren't drinking reduces drunk driving is far beyond my comprehension. I can only assume the Texas Legislators were drunk when they passed it, which would explain a lot of their legislation.

230 posted on 08/13/2005 1:22:46 PM PDT by HHFi
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Required reading for everyone interested in this subject.

Even the new prohititionist(s) (you know who you are).

Back Door to Prohibition: The New War on Social Drinking

THE U.S. GOVERNMENT GROSSLY BLOATS THE STATISTICS ON DRINKING AND DRIVING. IN FACT, THE PROBLEM IS ESSENTIALLY NONEXISTENT.

269 posted on 08/13/2005 3:12:55 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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Good ruling!


271 posted on 08/13/2005 3:22:01 PM PDT by TheLion
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276 posted on 08/13/2005 3:51:18 PM PDT by freepatriot32 (Deep within every dilemma is a solution that involves explosives)
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I agree with you. But do not try drinking and driving in Oregon. We were the first state in the country to adopt .o8 as the legal limit. Two or three beers for most people will put them over the limit. The entire state is one, vast police trap with cops stopping people for seat belt violations and faulty turn signals.


281 posted on 08/13/2005 4:26:29 PM PDT by ex-Texan (Mathew 7:1 through 6)
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"Did you really think we want those laws observed?" said Dr. Ferris. "We want them to be broken. You'd better get it straight that it's not a bunch of boy scouts you're up against... We're after power and we mean it... There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What's there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced or objectively interpreted – and you create a nation of law-breakers – and then you cash in on guilt. Now that's the system, Mr. Reardon, that's the game, and once you understand it, you'll be much easier to deal with." ('Atlas Shrugged' 1957)


292 posted on 08/15/2005 10:29:12 AM PDT by CSM ( If the government has taken your money, it has fulfilled its Social Security promises. (dufekin))
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Cops could arrest these guys left and right by waiting outside bars at midnight.

I've never understood why they don't do this. There are streams of extremely drunk people hopping in their cars and driving home from every bar every night.

293 posted on 08/15/2005 10:32:43 AM PDT by Junior_G
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299 posted on 08/15/2005 11:05:32 AM PDT by tutstar (OurFlorida.true.ws)
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