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Racist Paternalism at the NCAA***...Also banned is the nickname of the University of Illinois -- the Illini. "Illini" was the name of the tribal confederation that once ruled the land now called Illinois. It is the root word for the state name and the name of its people, Illinoians. It is hard to see hostility in a name the white people use to describe themselves, but the NCAA sees it.

....Indiana University, whose athletic teams are called "Hoosiers," escaped the NCAA's nickname ban. But Indiana's jerseys don't say "Hoosiers." They say "Indiana," which means "Land of Indians."

By the way, the NCAA is headquartered in Indianapolis -- "City of the Land of Indians." How embarrassing.

The NCAA has banned the University of North Dakota's "Fighting Sioux" nickname. "Sioux" is the name for a confederation of smaller tribes, including the Dakota. If UND removes the "hostile and abusive" "Sioux" name from its jerseys and replaces it with "North Dakota," it will still have a tribal name on its jerseys. Obviously, the NCAA executives have not thought their plan through.

The University of Oklahama's football team wears jerseys sporting the university's team nickname: Sooners. Sooners were people who illegally occupied land confiscated from the Indians. (They got there "sooner" than the law allowed.) The university's basketball team wears jerseys bearing the state name: Oklahoma. "Oklahoma" is Choctaw for "red people." Both of these names are OK, while "Seminoles," approved by the tribe, is banned. Go figure..............

1 posted on 08/12/2005 2:03:43 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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Heck, let's "rethink" the obtuse NCAA, which has obviously been taken over by morons. Let's establish a more "credible and responsible" league through that can coordinate college athletics. It would be an abject lesson to any league beurocrats who get too full of themselves and "the idiot PC disease".

Absolute morons. I want those responsible for this idiocy tarred and feathered.

2 posted on 08/12/2005 2:08:44 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Democrats.. Socialists..Commies..Traitors...Who can tell the difference?)
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Simply idiotic. PC run amok. What do they intend to do now? Take appeals on a case by case basis and make themselves look even more out of touch with reality?


3 posted on 08/12/2005 2:13:11 AM PDT by jsh3180
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They're back tracking, plain and simple.

If I remember correctly, the NCAA are the same clowns who banned any games (or something like that) in any state that flies a confederate flag....which singles out South Carolina and Mississippi.


11 posted on 08/12/2005 2:23:37 AM PDT by RoyalsFan (Freepmail me if you want on my Kansas City Royals ping list)
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"VP for diversity and inclusion".....nuff said<P.
Do we have a pic/bio of her?


14 posted on 08/12/2005 2:51:28 AM PDT by ken5050 (Ann Coulter needs to have children ASAP to pass on her gene pool....any volunteers?)
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A controversial NCAA decision restricting Florida State University's use of an American Indian mascot was based on incomplete information and will be reconsidered, a top NCAA official said Thursday.

Also considering that the Apalachee Indians living in Tallahassee themselves played a football-like game (buckskin, though, not pigskin) long before British or American versions, this is really one of the silliest performances by the NCAA conceivable. From the Florida Center for Instructional Technology:

The Apalachees played a ball game that was a religious exercise as well as a sport. One village would challenge another to a match, and the two teams would have up to 100 players each. They used a hard clay ball (about the size of a golf ball) covered with buckskin. Players propelled the ball with their feet toward the goal post which was a pole topped with a stuffed eagle in a nest. They played the ball game in the spring and summer, and dedicated it to the gods of rain and thunder to ensure rain for their crops.

15 posted on 08/12/2005 3:27:27 AM PDT by snowsislander
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Well, I know that as a Christian I am offended by the use of "Crusader" so will the NCAA please restrict that name. Oh, and also the Friars and the Orangemen. Stupid is a stupid does.


16 posted on 08/12/2005 3:28:56 AM PDT by aardvark1 (Eschew obfuscation.)
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Next they'll be banning the use of tigers on cereal boxes.


17 posted on 08/12/2005 3:38:42 AM PDT by mtbopfuyn (Legality does not dictate morality... Lavin)
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I always like to jump in and point out that NCAA really means "No Colleges are Amateurs Anymore" (for those of you from Rio Linda, it means the NCAA is really just the semi-pro leagues).


19 posted on 08/12/2005 3:42:30 AM PDT by Hardastarboard
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Keep yer cotton-pickin' PC hands off my Chief Illiniwek.


20 posted on 08/12/2005 3:44:55 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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As a Seminole alumnus, I'm hopeful that FSU will fight the NCAA decision in court regardless of whether or not they win their appeal. In fact, I'm not sure they should even appeal at all, because by doing so, they may be legally acknowledging the NCAA's right to enact this ban and may lose standing to seek a remedy in court.

Assume FSU wins on appeal, which they surely will if they NCAA actually looks at the facts. Will it be acceptable to Seminole fans that the NCAA could, at any time, ban the FSU nickname and mascot again if the political conditions change? Say, if the Oklahoma Seminole Nation were to have a change of heart a couple of years from now and vote to condemn FSU's use of the mascot - would that be grounds for the NCAA to revisit the issue and ban FSU's mascot again? Giving the NCAA this power is unacceptable and must be fought to the highest level.


21 posted on 08/12/2005 3:50:31 AM PDT by RightFighter
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starting February, would bar the use of American Indian symbols at championship events.



Gee, no more swastikas.


23 posted on 08/12/2005 4:21:58 AM PDT by KeyWest
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In a moment of extreme fiestiness yesterday, I actually called the NCAA headquarters and demanded that they cease and desist in using any ethnic name whatsoever as I, an American of Scandanavian descent found terms such as "Viking" to be derogatory and as the mother of four children of Irish American descent, could not abide the term "Fighting Irish" and I was sure that every other ethnic group in America, no matter small, felt the same way that I did.

I left my phone number. But I won't be waiting by the phone all day for them to call me back ;-)


28 posted on 08/12/2005 5:10:26 AM PDT by KosmicKitty (Well... There you go again!)
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"Rethink" carries the false implication that they actually were thinking at all in the first place.


30 posted on 08/12/2005 5:12:52 AM PDT by kevkrom (WARNING: If you're not sure whether or not it's sarcasm, it probably is.)
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Oh, and every time my former college calls for donations I refuse. Why, because a few years ago they changed their name from the Quinnipiac Braves to (gee, I'm not even sure) I think the Quinnipiac badgers, bobcats, something like that. Heck, when did the term "Brave" become dergatory?? The whole school, and many other locations and groups in this area, is named for the local Indian tribe, the Quinnipiacs for goodness sake.

I'm also still a bit miffed they didn't use my suggestion, the Quinnipiac PC's (politically corrects)


31 posted on 08/12/2005 5:15:38 AM PDT by KosmicKitty (Well... There you go again!)
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A controversial NCAA decision restricting Florida State University's use of an American Indian mascot was based on incomplete information and will be reconsidered

Oh, nonsense. They're backpeddaling as fast as they can because of the s**tstorm that ensued over their idiotic decision, largely spread by places like FR and talk radio.

37 posted on 08/12/2005 5:35:14 AM PDT by Libertarian444
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and hired powerhouse lawyer Barry Richard.



Anybody remember who "powerhouse lawyer Barry Richard
" is.?


38 posted on 08/12/2005 5:36:37 AM PDT by WKB (A closed mind is a good thing to lose.)
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I'm an alum of the U. of illinois. I've seen the some-years-ago video where the tribal leaders of the Illini Indian tribe (more precisely, the leaders of their descendants tribe) were interviewed about the "Fighting Illini" controversy. They hadn't heard that anyone objected to the nickname, couldn't believe anyone would be so crazy as to object, and said they had no trouble with the school using the nickname. That has not stopped the forces of censorship in IL, notably the Chicago Tribune, from calling on the university to change its nickname.


39 posted on 08/12/2005 5:38:48 AM PDT by CivilWarguy (ite)
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A controversial NCAA decision restricting Florida State University's use of an American Indian mascot was based on incomplete information and will be reconsidered, a top NCAA official said Thursday.

Incomplete information? Like maybe they didn't know that Florida State would be ranked 15 in the Sports Illustrated pre-season poll and is most likely a lock for a Bowl game of some sort? That kind of incomplete information?

40 posted on 08/12/2005 5:39:58 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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"Illini" was the name of the tribal confederation that once ruled the land now called Illinois. It is the root word for the state name and the name of its people, Illinoians.

Well, we're going to have to change the name of the state then. If people are to be offended by the name, does it matter whether it's on the side of a school or emblazoned across the state seal? Offensive is offensive.

Heck, let's just name the states "One" through "Fifty" and be done with it.

42 posted on 08/12/2005 5:46:05 AM PDT by Hatteras
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What about the Fighting Irish of Notre Dame...Ban them, too ?

Then they can go after The Vikings...


45 posted on 08/12/2005 7:02:56 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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