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(FNM to be delisted?) Statement from Daniel H. Mudd, President and CEO, Fannie Mae
Yahoo News ^ | August 9, 2005 | Daniel H. Mudd

Posted on 08/11/2005 1:40:17 PM PDT by hripka

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This doesn't sound very good. Why take one YEAR to go over their earnings? This is either incompetence or fraud. Comments?
1 posted on 08/11/2005 1:40:18 PM PDT by hripka
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To: hripka
This is either incompetence or fraud.

It's both!

2 posted on 08/11/2005 1:42:36 PM PDT by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: kjenerette

...sounds like an association we know?


3 posted on 08/11/2005 1:46:07 PM PDT by Van Jenerette (U.S. Army 1967-1991 Infantry OCS Hall of Fame, Ft. Benning)
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To: hripka

Fraud, fraud, fraud. Perpetrated by Democrat hack Frank Raines and his co-hack Jamie Gorelick. Fannie Mae had been manipulating its earnings for YEARS....using bizarre and arcane derivative hedges and inappropriately accounting for them in order to hit their earnings per share target that resulted in maximum bonuses for Fannie Mae executives....Gorelick got almost a million dollars. Raines raked in millions while donating thousands to Democrat candidates. It is taking the new regime at Fannie Mae an incredible number of man-hours to unravel all the fraud and go back and correctly account for everything. The earnings restatement may be upwards of $20 billion. It was a huge and complicated fraud scheme. Jamie Gorelick was the General Counsel while it was being perpetrated.


4 posted on 08/11/2005 1:47:14 PM PDT by Dems_R_Losers (Where is Chris Lehane??)
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To: hripka
Taking a guess here..but a lot of the earnings in prior years were based on the value of derivatives..These are, very, very complex instruments...and many say that their values can't really be calculated..guesstimated is more likely..so they have a lot of spade work to do...if you restae, what is the basis for doing so..let me give you an example in simpler terms that may help..

Let's say I'm selling a house.I put a price on it..and the true value of that house is what a seller is wilng tompay..and I to accept.. The transaction could be completed in one day..

But assume I die, and my executor has to value the house for estate tax purposes, in order to file the requisie federal and state returns. The procedure to obtain a fair market valueat time of death requires that the executor get several appraisals, very detailed,a nd also comparable recent transactions..to document and support the assigned value..it's longer, harder, and must be able to withstand more detailed scrutiny than just a simple acceptance of an offer to buy/sell

5 posted on 08/11/2005 1:50:02 PM PDT by ken5050 (Ann Coulter needs to have children ASAP to pass on her gene pool....any volunteers?)
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To: ken5050

Isn't Fannie Mae a financial company? Isn't it their JOB to keep correctly priced asset on their books?


6 posted on 08/11/2005 1:55:19 PM PDT by hripka (There are a lot of smart people out there in FReeperLand)
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Why take one YEAR to go over their earnings? This is either incompetence or fraud. Comments?

Not 1 year, 5 YEARS. They are restating back to 2001.

FNM estimates it will take 1000 man-years to correct their books.

7 posted on 08/11/2005 1:56:48 PM PDT by AdamSelene235 (Truth has become so rare and precious she is always attended to by a bodyguard of lies.)
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To: A. Pole; ex-Texan; Travis McGee; sine_nomine; balrog666; speekinout

Bubble Ping


8 posted on 08/11/2005 2:00:43 PM PDT by hripka (There are a lot of smart people out there in FReeperLand)
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I don't mean to piss in anyone's Cheerios but as I've been saying for years:

If Fannie Blows, you lose:

Your "safe" money market 401K fund (full of short term FNM paper).

Your "high quality" bond funds.

The money center banks:JPM,C,D-bank (FNM derivative counterparties)

Many small banks (many of them hold GSE paper as cash equivalents).

The dollar

The housing market

Bummer, huh?

9 posted on 08/11/2005 2:05:14 PM PDT by AdamSelene235 (Truth has become so rare and precious she is always attended to by a bodyguard of lies.)
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The press release says they will be done in the 2nd half of 2006. So it will take one year to fix several years of earnings mistakes.

The press release also says that it will take six to eight million labor hours to finish. 50 weeks times 40 hours per week is 2000 hours per year (one man-year) . Six million hours divided by 2,000 hours is THREE thousand man years to finish their books

10 posted on 08/11/2005 2:11:49 PM PDT by hripka (There are a lot of smart people out there in FReeperLand)
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To: ncountylee

This was Bill Clinton's sand box


11 posted on 08/11/2005 2:25:25 PM PDT by tom paine 2
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To: hripka
50 weeks times 40 hours per week

GoldBricker !

;-)

12 posted on 08/11/2005 2:32:29 PM PDT by AdamSelene235 (Truth has become so rare and precious she is always attended to by a bodyguard of lies.)
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To: hripka
We are leaving no stone unturned. To accomplish this, we have to obtain and validate market values for a large volume of transactions including all of our derivatives, commitments and securities at multiple points in time over the restatement period. To illustrate the breadth of this undertaking, we estimate we will need to record over one million lines of journal entries, determine hundreds of thousands of commitment prices and securities values, and verify some 20,000 derivative prices.

And all while continuing to conduct our (fraudulent) business.

13 posted on 08/11/2005 2:43:39 PM PDT by balrog666 (A myth by any other name is still inane.)
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To: hripka

Has anyone mentioned Jean Gorelick (of wall infamy) yet?


14 posted on 08/11/2005 2:45:07 PM PDT by bvw
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To: bvw; Grampa Dave; Dog Gone; Ernest_at_the_Beach; BOBTHENAILER

Ding! Ding! Ding!


15 posted on 08/11/2005 2:47:56 PM PDT by SierraWasp (Iraq! Our exit strategy is... VICTORY!!!)
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To: bvw

See #4


16 posted on 08/11/2005 2:51:37 PM PDT by SierraWasp (Iraq! Our exit strategy is... VICTORY!!!)
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Of course I mean Jamie Gorelick, recently of Fannie Mae, of Unitied Technologies, etc. Also of Janet Reno et al at our f*d-up Justice Department during the Clinton reign of tyranny.

Here's a blast from 2002!

Q&A with Fannie Mae's Jamie Gorelick

The vice-chairman sees "a very, very strong 2002" and says Fannie and Freddie are "managed safely"

In the wake of the Enron disaster, Federal National Mortgage Assn. (Fannie Mae) and Federal Home Loan Mortgage Corp. (Freddie Mac), the federally chartered mortgage banks that experienced explosive growth in 2001, have come under increased scrutiny. Once again, Republicans in Congress are threatening to conduct an investigation into the activities of the two -- No. 7 and No. 2, respectively, on this year's BusinessWeek 50 list of top performers -- some say in hopes of revoking the portions of the Fannie and Freddie charters that gives an implicit government guarantee to their borrowing.

BusinessWeek Associate Economics Editor Margaret Popper spoke with Fannie Mae Vice-Chairman Jamie Gorelick for BW Online about the prospects for the coming year. Edited excerpts from their conversation follow:

Q: How did last year's economic turmoil affect your credit losses?

A: We are very well protected against credit losses, which fell to their lowest level in a generation -- since 1983 -- last year. They went from four basis points [0.04%] down to under one basis point [0.01%] of our outstanding portfolio. We believe that while credit losses may rise somewhat in the aftermath of the recession, they are likely to remain quite low in 2002.

(Excerpts from Business Week Online, Spring 2002
http://www.businessweek.com/bw50/content/mar2002/a3776033.htm)


17 posted on 08/11/2005 2:52:48 PM PDT by bvw
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To: SierraWasp

Is she still on the board of Defense, Industrial and Public Sector giant Unitied Technologies? She joined it in 2000. What a charmed life.


18 posted on 08/11/2005 3:02:53 PM PDT by bvw
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This doesn't sound very good. Why take one YEAR to go over their earnings? This is either incompetence or fraud. Comments?

The board is flush with democrat politicos. Obviously that is synonymous with fraud, and when caught they'll claim incompetence.

19 posted on 08/11/2005 3:06:29 PM PDT by Rightwing Conspiratr1 (Lock-n-load!)
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In addition, we are bringing some 1,500 consultants on board by year's end to help with the restatement.

Oh yeah, when in doubt or at a loss for an explanation, bring in consultants.....plenty of 'em ;-)

20 posted on 08/11/2005 3:12:41 PM PDT by varon (Allegiance to the constitution, always. Allegiance to a political party, never.)
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