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The Unstoppable IED [GREAT analysis]
The Belmont Club | Wretchard

Posted on 08/11/2005 11:09:43 AM PDT by 68skylark

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To: AppyPappy

"The machine gun was considered so horrible that it prevented wars from occuring."


The crossbow was considered so unethical and immoral that it was outlawed by the Pope in the 1100s (or around that Medieval time period).


21 posted on 08/11/2005 11:53:26 AM PDT by Blzbba (For a man who does not know to which port he is sailing, no wind is favorable - Seneca)
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To: 68skylark
Ultimately asymmetrical warfare is the propaganda...they use the big lie.... convince your opponent then can't win or paint your opponent as the evil one... As I type this Rush is talking about the new Hollywood propaganda campaign...

Folks we are in for a lot of work... big lie propaganda is cheap and easy to mass produce, it just that simple make stuff up.

The trick is to do it in mass so it overwhelms true facts...the left has this tactic down pat...

The only counter to big lie propaganda is hard truth, facts and logic in equal mass...and that takes hard work...

An to be blunt you don't beat the lefts big lie propaganda with your own...it the lefts game

22 posted on 08/11/2005 11:54:31 AM PDT by tophat9000 (When the State ASSUMES death...It makes an ASH out of you and me..)
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To: narby

"Our first amendment is our Achilles heal."

We had the 1st amendment during Plains Indian Wars, Civil War, Spanish American War, WWI, WWII, Korean War.

I understand your point. Presumably in earlier wartimes, the "free press" was more patriotic, or at least balanced, and not openly hoping American forces will fail.

But I also believe there was often a "loyal opposition" voice in the press or public domain.

But who could oppose WWII? If so, on what basis?


23 posted on 08/11/2005 11:59:49 AM PDT by truth_seeker
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To: narby

Don't blame the first amendment. People are responsible for what is happening in the media. They have responsibilities they aren't meeting. The marketplace is beginning to respond to that threat too.


24 posted on 08/11/2005 12:00:08 PM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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To: narby
The asymmetrical warfare we're facing now is we're using our military, and they're using our media.

BINGO! The deadliest weapon in the terrorist's arsenal is the New York Times!

25 posted on 08/11/2005 12:00:41 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: 68skylark

What is not mentioned is what happens when you use a JIN on a human target. Ladies and gentlemen, for your consideration, the first fielded electro-blaster. Silent, invisible, portable. Hit someone with about 50,000 volts, at about 50 amps, and you have a crispy critter...


26 posted on 08/11/2005 12:04:22 PM PDT by jonascord (What is better than the wind at 6 O'clock on the 600 yard line?)
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To: narby
....they're using our media. We lost Vietnam that way and we're about to do it again.

You're right. It's sad to watch it happen all over again.

27 posted on 08/11/2005 12:04:30 PM PDT by elbucko
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To: 68skylark

Good article. Thanks for posting it.


28 posted on 08/11/2005 12:05:35 PM PDT by elbucko
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To: 68skylark

Wretchard wrocks!


29 posted on 08/11/2005 12:10:43 PM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: truth_seeker
And during each of those wars, you had loudmouthed stupid reporters yammering away.

Yet even the greatest animosities of our current era seldom reach the depth of the hatred that existed between General William Tecumseh Sherman and the newspapermen who followed his army. Enraged by newspaper listings of the Union order of battle prior to engagements, Sherman banished reporters from his lines and referred to them as "dirty newspaper scribblers who have the impudence of Satan." A reporter for the New York Tribune wrote that being "a cat in hell without claws is nothing to [being] a reporter in General Sherman's army." His brethren were not so kind; they circulated reports of Sherman's alleged insanity.

The tension reached a head when a reporter for the New York Herald, Thomas Knox, defied Sherman's orders and forwarded an account of the Union defeat at Chickasaw Bluffs. Sherman had Knox arrested and bound over for court-martial.

The reporter responded, "Of course, General Sherman, I have no feelings against you personally, but you are regarded as the enemy of our set and we must in self-defense write you down."

The court found Knox guilty and ordered him banished from the theater. As the Herald was a strong supporter of Lincoln, the President countermanded the sentence on the condition that Sherman's superior, U. S. Grant, agreed. Grant would do no such thing, and Knox was forced to appeal to the man he defamed.

Sherman's reply: "Come with a sword or musket in your hand, prepared to share with us our fate ... and I will welcome you as a brother; but come as you now do expecting me to ally the reputation and honor of my country and my fellow-soldiers with you as the representative of the Press which you yourself say makes so slight a difference between truth and falsehood and my answer is Never!"

Knox left the theater.

Source: Joseph H. Ewing. "The New Sherman Letters." American Heritage, July-August 1987.

30 posted on 08/11/2005 12:13:01 PM PDT by jonascord (What is better than the wind at 6 O'clock on the 600 yard line?)
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To: jonascord

"What is not mentioned is what happens when you use JIN on a human target. Ladies and gentlemen, for your consideration, the first fielded electro-blaster. Solent, invisable, portable. Hit someone with about 50,000 volts, at about 50 amps, and you have a crispy critter..."

Would you like a side order of fries with that?


31 posted on 08/11/2005 12:15:01 PM PDT by Americanexpat (A strong democracy through citizen oversight.)
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To: burzum

Sure, but the "proxy wars" in Korea, then Vietnam, then Afghanistan, etc. showed that great powers could still do an awful lot of harm to each other without openly declaring war. Korea was quite a shock to all who thought the advent of nuclear weapons had really made all war a thing of the past, but Stalin and Mao both recognized that the moral and political restraints in the west meant that no one would be nuking them over Korea.


32 posted on 08/11/2005 12:35:06 PM PDT by Enchante (Kerry's mere nuisances: Marine Barracks '83, WTC '93, Khobar Towers, Embassy Bombs '98, USS Cole!!!)
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To: konaice
The idea that a bunch of 6th grade educated camel jockeys will forever hold the upper hand is the one he wants you com come away with, rather than the very examples he cites of previous asymmetrical weapons being turned into major power advantage.

I think you may have misunderstood what the author is trying to say.

33 posted on 08/11/2005 12:43:24 PM PDT by Logophile
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To: 68skylark
This article misses a very important element that has probably been one of the most crucial factors in any war: the advantage that one side enjoys over another when it wages war on its own soil. The side that is fighting on its own soil will always be at an advantage over a foreign force, due to several major factors: 1) their familiarity with the terrain, 2) their support among the local population, and 3) their stronger resolve in the face of adversity.

This "home field advantage" is a more accurate description of what is happening in Iraq today -- the IEDs are simply one method by which it is carried out. This factor explains a number of cases throughout history in which a local fighting force was able to defeat a better-equipped adversary (the American Revolution, Russia's victory over Germany at Stalingrad, America's loss in Vietnam, etc.).

The two cases the author cites -- submarines and bombers -- are classic examples of one side taking advantage of two specific aspects of warfare (the sea and the skies) in which a country does not maintain an advantage of familiarity. Since these two areas are where technology is more important than local familiarity (nobody lives under the sea or in the sky), a local military force is not necessarily any more competent than a foreign force. The use of submarines and bombers by the U.S. in World War II, for example, was as effective in and around Japan as it would have been in and around New York City.

34 posted on 08/11/2005 12:52:02 PM PDT by Alberta's Child (I ain't got a dime, but what I got is mine. I ain't rich, but Lord I'm free.)
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To: 68skylark
on July 23 ... a huge bomb buried on a road southwest of Baghdad Airport detonated an hour before dark underneath a Humvee carrying four American soldiers. The explosive device was constructed from a bomb weighing 500 pounds or more that was meant to be dropped from an aircraft, according to military explosives experts, and was probably Russian in origin.

Those four men were my friends from my old unit, 2nd Battalion, 121st Infantry Regiment, Georgia Army National Guard. I knew all four of them personally. From what I heard from other friends in Iraq, it was 5 each 200 pound bombs essentially daisy chained together.

35 posted on 08/11/2005 12:56:43 PM PDT by Terabitten (Life, liberty, and the pursuit of all who threaten it.)
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To: Terabitten

I'm really sorry to hear about your connection with these soldiers. They're heroes for serving their state and country, and for working to liberate the oppressed.


36 posted on 08/11/2005 12:59:19 PM PDT by 68skylark
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To: 68skylark

Thanks. My former brigade has lost 14 so far, 8 of whom I've known personally.

Thanks for your service, btw.


37 posted on 08/11/2005 1:01:13 PM PDT by Terabitten (Life, liberty, and the pursuit of all who threaten it.)
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To: Alberta's Child
You make some thought-provoking points. However, the situation may be more complex than the "home-field advantage" you mention.

There are quite a few Iraqis (I have no idea how many) who are working with us to defeat terrorists.

And there are quite a few foreigners (I have no idea how many) who are terrorists.

The terrorists probably have a little stronger claim to be the "home team" than the good guys do, but the situation is muddled.

38 posted on 08/11/2005 1:06:40 PM PDT by 68skylark
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To: Enchante

Yes, there have been wars by proxy. But these are but mere shadows of the horrors of WWI and WWII. They do not fit the 'total war' model.

I am not saying that nuclear weapons prevent indirect wars. Obviously they don't. And nuclear weapons will not protect us from war forever. Eventually conventional weapons will scale up to their power (and some nuclear weapons will scale down in power) and defenses will be made against them. The nuclear weapon will then not be thought of as absurd or overly destructive. Nonetheless, for 60 years (probably an unprecedented period in history) there has been no direct wars between world powers.


39 posted on 08/11/2005 1:17:25 PM PDT by burzum
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To: tophat9000

They say the exact same thing on DU. It's odd. Don't get me wrong, they're totally upside down, but they say the exact same thing.


40 posted on 08/11/2005 2:29:08 PM PDT by ecomcon
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