Posted on 08/10/2005 10:23:00 PM PDT by Stellar Dendrite
I read your link of him talking about Beslan, and nothing there suggests he's an Islamic apologist, or that he even favors Chechen independence. He simply came to a conclusion about Beslan that you disagree with.
The citations in your other posts only prove that the Russian political establishment doesn't like him. The fact that Britain gave him political asylum suggests that they don't have the highest confidence in the honesty of the Russian legal system.
Unless you can disprove Gary's statements with something more then the utterances of an employee of the Russian Soros (who also happens to be friends with Soros and to in the Friends of Gore club) Berezovsky, you're doing nothing more then serving the left, to whom that agenda belongs.
There's nothing to disprove in Gary's statements. You can't refute the statements of this former FSB agent, just as you can't refute the statements of Ion Pacepa, former head of the Romanian KGB.
If you think that pointing out Zawahiri is FSB trained plays into the left's hands you are wrong. What are you going to tell us next, that Ion Pacepa is a liar and the KGB never bankrolled Arafat?
The fact remains that this story has confirmed many suspicions that this is a proxy war by communists to avoid MAD. See "Unrestricted warfare", China's military training manual that called for asymmetrical attacks against the US just like sept 11th (three years before).
A criminal of the first order, who after spending 30 years building and upholding one of the most tyrannical regimes, butchering untold tens of thousands, saw the writing on the wall, "defected" as his boss was being put up against a wall and has become the hero of the conspiracy minded, who have forgiven him all his crimes.
So when is Pacepa going to stand for his crimes and face his victims in Romania? Oh that's right, never.
How many children did this butcher murder, how many did he leave fatherless, motherless, brotherless or sisterless? But you and the rest always give him a pass, because he says pretty words that you want to hear. How quaint.
I figured you would try and discredit Ion Pacepa as well, no surprise. At least he is speaking out against communism and the KGB's international terrorist role now.
Hes featured over at frontpagemag, David Horowitz has loads of credibility.
Folks--no more brawls -:))) when logic and probability theory works. As I stated before, I find Litvinenko statement doubtful because Al Qaida and Taleban at a time were fomenting revolution in Central Asia directly against Russian interests. So if FSB trained Zarqawi, they had no idea whom he was representing. I know that Zarqawi was briefly arrested in Russia but then they let him go.
That's all I know and I take any conspiracy theory with a healthy doze of scepticism.
AlQaida is hardly not an enemy of Russia too.
Considering Bin Laden ambitions and their attempt to bring Islamic Revolution in Central Asia, it's difficult to imagine that they are secret friends with Kremlin unless Putin is devout Muslim in secret.
Think you better check your timeline there - the communist regime in Romania fell, and Ceausescu was executed, in 1989. Pacepa defected in 1978, and if he "saw the writing on the wall" eleven years in advance, then he was a hell of a lot more prescient than, say, the CIA.
No, Putin doesn't have to be a Muslim in order for any of this to make sense. He just needs to be someone who likes to have an excuse to flex his political muscle. Hell, there are even people here on FR who are giddy at the prospect of China becoming our next enemy, because we "need an enemy".
If you have some actual facts and/or logic to present to this discussion, feel free.
True, he didn't leave at the last minute, but everyone knew those regimes were heading down hill, especially the men in charge of keeping all the secrets. Maybe some of the dictators were to far gone to know better, like Saddam thinking he could defeat the US military vs his generals who knew better, but the intelligence guys knew what was to come. Now this mass murderer and builder of one of the worst regimes in European history is an "acredited" voice who gains respect and speakers fees without once ever having to face his victims. Ask him if he's been back to Romania since. My bet is no and never will.
If you need to ask, then you already know the answer. :)
Most likely, although he was acquitted in absentia of treason in 1999.
In any case, to wrench things back on topic somewhat, Pacepa is in no position to know about al Qaeda anyway - OBL was what, twelve, when Pacepa defected? AQ simply didn't exist back then. Besides, the idea seems rather implausible on its face. On the other hand, I find the suggestion that the PLO was aided by the KGB to be somewhat more plausible.
We will see, perhaps Horowitz is working on a story about this very issue.
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