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Soldier's Mom Says Deadbeat Dad Shouldn't Get Death Benefits
www.wqad.com ^ | August 10, 2005 | Chris Minor

Posted on 08/10/2005 4:28:43 PM PDT by Aliska

Milan, IL-Should the biological father of a soldier killed in the line of duty receive death benefits even though he never met his daughter?

Sgt. Jessica Housby of Rock Island was killed by a roadside bomb in Iraq in February. The unmarried 23 year old was raised by her mother and step-father.

But the state contacted her biological father Tony Holbrook in his prison cell in Mt. Pleasant, Iowa and informed him that as the biological father of Jessica, he was entitled to survivor's benefits, and is in line to receive more than 137- thousand dollars in the coming weeks.

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To: Aliska

The girl must have signed something. Maybe she didn't understand what she was signing. Maybe they military lost the paper the girl signed. If I were the mom I would definately get a lawyer.


61 posted on 08/10/2005 5:55:31 PM PDT by snowstorm12
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To: Aliska

I was a 73-C Finance Clerk for 4 years back in 1987-1992 when I was in the active Army. There is exactly one person responsible for this and it is the former servicemember. (May God bless her for her sacrifice)

When you go through reception station before basic training you are given a class on death benefits and are required to choose a beneficiary and fill out a form. Every year every single active duty person was required to update their SGLI form. Every time a person PCS's or deploys to a foreign land they are required to fill out a new form and verify their beneficiary. Now things might have changed since I was a paper pusher but I doubt it, if anything it is probably worse as far as how many times you are required to review these things.

Maybe the young lady didn't like her stepfather much or something? Maybe she just chose the 50/50 option between her biological parents. It was her option and personally it sounds like a reporter just looking for another thing to complain about to make the military look bad.


62 posted on 08/10/2005 6:05:03 PM PDT by Tailback (USAF distinguished rifleman badge #300, German Schutzenschnur in Gold)
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To: Tailback
When you go through reception station before basic training you are given a class on death benefits and are required to choose a beneficiary and fill out a form. Every year every single active duty person was required to update their SGLI form. Every time a person PCS's or deploys to a foreign land they are required to fill out a new form and verify their beneficiary.

Thank you for clarifying this. I have no idea what the real life behind this story is but it's her money and I sincerely hope she had the free will to choose.

63 posted on 08/10/2005 6:31:09 PM PDT by ozarkgirl
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To: Tailback
a reporter just looking for another thing to complain about to make the military look bad.

The national media, definitely. Our three local media do not come across like that in any way.

This is the heartland, and people are very patriotic around here, for the most part. Every time a local soldier or soldiers are killed in Iraq within a 50-mile radius, I never sniff politics entering into the equation when the deaths and funerals are somberly reported. The stations go out of their way to treat the deceased, the ceremonies, and the survivors with the dignity they deserve.

The tv reporters may have their own personal opinions about various wars, particularly the current one, but they would not dare slam the war effort or the military.

We have a large military installation here, a very important part of the local economy that we are currently in danger of losing, and there is a street called Hero Street where legal Hispanic immigrants had way more than their share of deaths and those who survived in the service of this country. There are lots of military burials on Arsenal Island. No, the local tv networks wouldn't dare to insult the military.

Privately, I know of one local father, a Democrat, who was disgruntled that his daughter had to serve in Iraq, so the winds of war blow both ways among the citizenry.

Now for a few of the local newspapers, that might be a different story, but they are hurting for subscribers.

64 posted on 08/10/2005 6:58:43 PM PDT by Aliska
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To: verity
The deceased legally designated her biological father as the beneficiary.

So it seems. A lot of people here don't want to respect her decision.

There's probably a good reason why she didn't designate her mother. Maybe the mother doesn't get along well with her daughter or badly mistreated her. Maybe the stepfather molested the girl. Who knows? But it seems the mother here is mostly interested in the money.

All these complaints about the guy not paying child support aren't valid. He wasn't listed on the birth certificate.
65 posted on 08/10/2005 7:11:16 PM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: dakine

"By law"...how most young folk fill it out..."

Yep, that's probably what this young soldier did too.

I did the same when I went to Nam. Wanted to leave it to my girl friend since I did not get along with my parents. Army said I couldn't do that so I just checked the "by law" box.


66 posted on 08/10/2005 7:45:10 PM PDT by Americanexpat (A strong democracy through citizen oversight.)
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To: George W. Bush
There's probably a good reason why she didn't designate her mother

The mother gets half, whether by designation or by fiat. Did you read it? You can be mistaken about people, by the way they present themselves on tv, but I didn't get the impression that she wanted all the money; she was indignant that he would get any because of his dereliction of duty. We don't know all that went down between the two of them, but if he deserted her at four months pregnant, refused to acknowledge the child as his on the birth cert, refused to pay child support, never made any effort to contact his daughter, I do not blame her one little bit for her outrage.

All these complaints about the guy not paying child support aren't valid. He wasn't listed on the birth certificate.

Granted that she came along before DNA science took a major leap, but just because he is not on the birth certificate does not relieve him of his moral duty to support his biological child, if she is correction was his biological child. Evidently SHE believed she was because she called asking about family medical history on his side, that being her only contact with him ever except via sperm in utero. Legally it could be interpreted differently, but lots of laws suck now. He most definitely acknowledges her as his daughter now that the green stuff is coming his way.

People can think what they want, the mother didn't look like the sharpest knife in the drawer, looked like she had had a difficult life, the step father could have been scum, but the guy didn't make a good impression on tv either except he did look like he had bathed and put on some clean clothes for his 15 minutes of fame. And, of course, a little digging could probably come up with some unsavory facts about the deceased for people so inclined. She died in the service of her country, whether she wanted to go or not, and that is all that matters at this point in time. Her adult life was over before it started. She gave her all - for us and for every scumbag out there cooking up meth.

Just wanted to clear the air on that.

67 posted on 08/10/2005 8:02:35 PM PDT by Aliska
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To: George W. Bush
Does not matter if he was listed on the birth certificate or not.
It actually requires a complete legal adoption to remove a biological father from the "legal" life of a child.
Short of adoption,or otherwise legal court order expressly terminating a biological parents "rights", a single mother can not terminate the biological fathers legal paternal rights.
I know from personal experience that, short of adoption, all a single mother can do is legally prove intentional abandonment, and that costs a lot of money to a lawyer, too.
It boils down to this:
If my child ever checks off "by law" on death benefits,half of those benefits would go to a biological father she has never met and who has never provided even moral support to her.
If I was ignorant of the nuances of law, and serenely designated my lone minor child as my sole beneficiary of all my legal death benefits, her absent biological father would receive a sudden financial windfall, with no legal requirement that any of the funds be spent on her behalf.
If this young single woman checked off "by law" and did not actually name her biological father, I think most reasonable people would assume she meant her mother.
The law does not factor intent, untill challenged in either civil or criminal court.
After all...ignorance of the law is no excuse...
68 posted on 08/10/2005 8:09:29 PM PDT by sarasmom
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To: Aliska
We have a large military installation here, a very important part of the local economy

Where? Your home page has no information as referenced to the above situation.

69 posted on 08/10/2005 9:55:00 PM PDT by ozarkgirl
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To: tet68

You were in the military, albeit some time ago, you input on this?


70 posted on 08/10/2005 10:36:41 PM PDT by ozarkgirl
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To: Aliska

I've read all the pieces here, this girl was in the military, she chose who her beneficiary would be. You would do well to put aside your own personal resentments and give her hers. She chose, she died. Give her that.


71 posted on 08/10/2005 10:51:30 PM PDT by ozarkgirl
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To: Aliska; sarasmom
It sounds like she signed and designated her father.

That's her right. Supporting some greedy mom running in there to grab more money doesn't respect her memory or sacrifice.

You don't know the real facts and how the girl felt or why she did what she did. You just don't like the result.
72 posted on 08/11/2005 3:53:01 AM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: Aliska

Media maggot(s) seldom if ever dwell on good news.


73 posted on 08/11/2005 5:09:38 AM PDT by verity (Big Dick Durbin is still a POS)
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To: George W. Bush
Concur with you, George.

Seem as though some folks are unhappy unless they find something to bitch about.

74 posted on 08/11/2005 5:14:11 AM PDT by verity (Big Dick Durbin is still a POS)
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To: ozarkgirl
Where? Your home page has no information as referenced to the above situation.

Maybe if you do a little detective work, you can figure it out. I don't want a profile page because I only care to share what I choose to share.

75 posted on 08/11/2005 5:19:28 AM PDT by Aliska
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To: ozarkgirl
she chose who her beneficiary would be. You would do well to put aside your own personal resentments and give her hers. She chose, she died. Give her that.

That may be, or it could be like other posters suggested she checked a box she wasn't certain what it would mean. Yes, I resent deadbeat dads. I can still post stories, and you people can decide.

If that was her true choice, I would be the first to honor her wishes. I know she died. She gave her life for this country, and may she rest in peace.

76 posted on 08/11/2005 5:22:41 AM PDT by Aliska
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To: verity
The deceased legally designated her biological father as the beneficiary.

Well if so, then that's that, unless some undue influence was in play.

77 posted on 08/11/2005 5:24:50 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (No wonder the Southern Baptist Church threw Greer out: Only one god per church! [Ann Coulter])
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To: George W. Bush
It sounds like she signed and designated her father.

That may be the case. It was the government agency in Illinois that made the final determination which suggests there may have been some lack of clarity as to how she filled out the form combined with the unique circumstances of her life.

Calling the mom greedy is a cheap shot. We don't know her heart. Maybe you can read hearts. I can't. The mom didn't act on tv like it was about getting more money for herself. She just didn't want the man who didn't stand by her to have it.

You don't know the real facts and how the girl felt or why she did what she did. You just don't like the result.

No, I don't know all the real facts, and neither do you. No, I don't like the result because it rewards irresponsible behavior in this situation. I'll live with it. Life isn't fair.

What do you care for anyway? It didn't happen to somebody on your local news, and you didn't see the report on tv.

78 posted on 08/11/2005 5:32:01 AM PDT by Aliska
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To: verity
Media maggot(s) seldom if ever dwell on good news.

Chris Minor seems like a decent person, and I resent her being called a media maggot. She always reports sad stories with a compassionate demeanor. There are also some happy stories reported around here. Maybe I'll call the station today and point them to this thread, seeing how it's gone downhill and I didn't violate their sacrosanct copyright laws.

79 posted on 08/11/2005 5:35:09 AM PDT by Aliska
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To: Aliska
The father was legally the father all those years none the less. The step-dad should have adopted the girl.

Not to mention that the soldier may have named the father as a beneficiary. In that case, any further discussion is moot.
80 posted on 08/11/2005 5:47:16 AM PDT by RGSpincich
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