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She's gone loony no doubt. But Iraq was no threat to us. Maybe to Israel, but not the USA. It was a secular state and women had more rights than they do in any other state in the region besides Israel.

The Neocon idea of global democracy would make the region more stable. IMO, that's a pipe dream. I just don't think there's any historical precedent for Arab muslim states to adapt to Western democratic principles. Rule of law, individual rights, and secular governments.

And behind closed doors, I'd be willing to bet Bush, Rove, and the rest of the current brain trust agree. In other words, if Bush had to do it all over again, he wouldn't have invaded Iraq.

But Iraq was no threat to us.

Sponsors of international terrorism are of no concern for those who care about U.S. Security. < / sarcasm >

She's gone loony no doubt. But Iraq was no threat to us. Maybe to Israel, but not the USA. It was a secular state and women had more rights than they do in any other state in the region besides Israel.
The Neocon idea of global democracy would make the region more stable. IMO, that's a pipe dream. I just don't think there's any historical precedent for Arab muslim states to adapt to Western democratic principles. Rule of law, individual rights, and secular governments.

And behind closed doors, I'd be willing to bet Bush, Rove, and the rest of the current brain trust agree. In other words, if Bush had to do it all over again, he wouldn't have invaded Iraq

Thank you Ms. Cleo and I didn't have to pay $4.95 per minute for your soothsaying.

BTW, nice try at whitewashing saddam, who was harboring terrorists, and had multitudes of prisons and torture chambers.

I just don't think there's any historical precedent for Arab muslim states to adapt to Western democratic principles. Rule of law, individual rights, and secular governments.

The same thing was said about Japan and South Korea. There's never "historical precedent" for things when they are first done - there was none here in the U.S. before it was formed. So, that's not exactly an argument.

Here is something else for you to consider

Spoken like a true LF'er.

Iraq was no threat to us?

You are clearly uninformed.

The Senate Intelligence Committee found that:

1) We had 78 reports from different sources that Hussein's regime was actively training Iraqi intelligence soldiers for terrorist attacks against America.

2) Iraq provided AQ with chemical, biological, radiological and nuclear training.

3) Direct meetings took place between senior Iraqi military officers and top AQ operatives between the early 90's and 2003.

The 9/11 Commission Report states:

1) Richard Clark (Clinton's terrorism czar) testified that Iraq cooperated on chemical weapons with terrorists, including AQ.

2) Former Defense Secretary William Cohen (Clinton's Defense guy) testified that OBL and Iraq collaborated on the construction of a nerve gas facility.

3) The Clinton justice department said in its federal indictment of OBL that OBL and Iraq were collaborating.

4) Several high ranking Iraqi officials met with AQ and Saddam's intelligence service directly cut a check to Dr. Zawahiri for $300,000. Zawahiri at that time merged his organization with OBL's and the merger was "defacto complete by February 1998".

You're new here, but your benefit of the doubt is gone.

Iraq harbored and helped al Qaeda.

Iraq broke 17 UN resolutions.

The ONLY reason we didn't go into Baghdad and finish Saddam off under President Bush the elder is because we had promised the UN and France and Germany et al that we wouldn't do so, in order to get that coalition together.

You're new here, but that doesn't allow you to post drivel and senseless propaganda as fact. Nor to assume that you know what the president is "really" thinking. He says what he means and no matter how much you wish that were not so, it is.

Never heard of Turkey then, have you? That Muslim nation became a democratic, secular nation AFTER it had been not only the head of the Caliphate, that bin Laden and the rest of the lunatics yearn to reinstate, but rapidly pulled itself out of a terrible malaise after WW I! Do read some history books, before you post absolute garbage!