Cheney in 2008? Does anyone really believe this?

Aspen Times ^ | 8-10-05 | Catherine Lutz

[joyspring777]

Bob Woodward's half-hour talk, punctuated several times by well-received jokes, was followed by 11 questions from the audience. He theorized that Hillary Clinton would earn the Democratic nomination in 2008 and would run against Dick Cheney

[joyspring777]

What gives with a description of a Buchanan wing?

He is ancient history...and was, along with Gary Bauer, a charter member of the sour puss class of Republicans! All three are unelectable to anything except possibly dog catcher.

What wing are you referring to? Conservatives? Neo-Cons? Pro-Lifers? Family Values? All the above??

[joyspring777]

Thank God!

don't forget his gay relationship of yester year...Yuck!!! Gag me!

[patriciamary]

I think Dick Cheney would make a Great President.

[patriciamary]

He would make a complete As- out of her in the debates.

[joyspring777]

LIBERAL with an emphasis on the LLLLLLL!!!!! Republican!

[joyspring777]

Best case scenario for Rudy in my opinion...Governor of NY!

[joyspring777]

I have heard some upper echelon conservative Republicans that like him very much!

[joyspring777]

Newbie? Yes to this board, but not to the Art of Governing.

I have been a delegate or "by choice" alternate to every one of my state's republican conventions since 1990.

[2111USMC]

I agree that he would be perfect for the position.

Regardless, he is not going to run because he wants out of politics. The only reason he is still in office is out of his dedication and friendship to W.

[joyspring777]

Great point...except they were both Democrats!!!!

You could talk about Reagan in 1976? or in 1964 giving that speech. But then he was all over the radio.

[zbigreddogz]

F--k him and all who support him.

Yah, I think you just revealed yourself to be unworthy the time to try to engage in serious discussion.

Your wrong about taxes, btw, he lowered them several times as mayor.

Goodbye.

[zbigreddogz]

Agreed. I would be excited if Rudy were to run for Governor of NY. He might even be able to turn the state red after a while, or at least make it purple.

[Rembrandt_fan]

You wrote, "1975: Jimmy who? 1991: Bill who?"

Jimmy Carter's election was a fluke of history, a reaction to what was perceived as Republican malfeasance and ineptitude: Watergate overall, Ford's pardon of Nixon, Spiro Agnew's disgraceful resignation, little Whip Inflation Now buttons, the helicopters scurrying from the embassy roof in Saigon...

Truly, anyone could've beaten Ford. It just happened to be Jimmy Carter. The senior Bush, on the other hand, alienated the base of his own party by breaking his no-new-tax pledge and 'realpolitik' bungling of what should've been total military victory in Iraq, rather than the first round in a damaging, drawn-out ordeal.

Both Ford and Bush were damaged goods, electoral pushovers. A conclusion one can draw from their respective defeats is that relative political unknowns can win major elections if the incumbent has a seriously compromised candidacy from the beginning: Ford had Nixon, Bush the Elder had Saddam.

Hillary, on the other hand, does not have Bill. She has carefully divorced herself from her role in the more unsavory and unsuccessful aspects of her husband's administration, and has done a masterful job of repositioning herself as a centrist and establishing an identity distinct from her role as former first lady; i.e., the Junior Senator from New York. Is this repositioning of hers a blatantly transparent, cynical ploy? Of course it is. She banks on the notoriously short-attention span of the voting public, and knows that in a largely evenly split election, she can conceivably peel off enough easily swayed votes to win.

So yeah, the GOP needs a known quantity likely to draw the middle. In my view, a Guiliani candidacy would be a good move strategically, especially if Guiliani re-thinks his views on issues--like abortion--that energize the conservative base, and chooses a solid conservative as a running mate, one ideally with strong foreign policy credentials to counter Rudy's lack of expertise in that regard. I personally adore Condoleeza Rice, but doubt she wants to wade in the muck of a presidential campaign.

[Clemenza]

I lived in NYC when Rudy was Mayor. He was good for New York, but would be a disaster for the country. He's a fiscal moderate and social liberal, who would turn off many people in the primaries.

I'd still go for George Allen or Tim Pawlenty. Pawlenty would be a great choice, as he is from the midwest, is popular with independents and does not have the annoying Lawn Guyland accent/attitude of Rudy, nor does he come with the political or personal baggage of Mayor Overrated.

[Hi Heels]

I don't know, I get the feeling things are moving to the right. Call it woman's intuition. Not too many people I know are fooled by HiLIARy's recent shift to Christianity and prolife positions. And with women, well, most of us think if you can't run a marriage and keep your man to heel, you sure the hell can't run the nation.

[JaneNC]

People are more concerned about national security ...and yes, even the far right would ultimately vote for Rudy.
I think the right would have a tough time with McCain.
He has voted against most Republican initiatives and sided with the democrats. Kerry even wanted him for a running mate. SHeesh. McCain should "forget about it"

[JaneNC]

Yes, I do , too. But...ya know what? He isn't running.
Anyone running against Hillary cannot be a pansy. I think Rudy could take her.

[JaneNC]

Yeh, you are probably right. He would be a great governor.
I was just thinking that whoever runs against Hillary has to be well known, and STRONG on national defense. The national defense issue will defeat her.

[JaneNC]

You are right on.
That is why I said what I did.
I cannot think of another person who is as well known, is a bulldog on national defense ....and who could take her.
Deep down there are many democrats who are uneasy about ole Hillary as Commander in Chief.
I was just being real....Rudy could take on Hillary and win. I can't think of another person who could...can you>?

[JaneNC]

But is he up to taking on Hillary>?