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Army Relieves General of His Command
Army Web Site | Aug 8, 05 | Army Web Page

Posted on 08/09/2005 7:41:36 AM PDT by SLB

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To: SLB

My brother was a colonel assigned to TRADOC at Ft. Monroe. He's probably worked with these guys directly.


21 posted on 08/09/2005 8:07:11 AM PDT by IronJack
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To: SLB

Career over. Retire now. Gone. Somebody did a big no-no. Woops.


22 posted on 08/09/2005 8:08:21 AM PDT by RetiredArmy (The government and courts are stealing your freedom & liberty!)
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To: connectthedots

He could be retired at his "permanent" rank. Just because he wears 4-stars, does not mean he is a 4-star general. His "permanent" rank could be one or two stars. He could be dropped back to that. Like Custer was. He was made a general, but after the Civil War, dropped back in rank.


23 posted on 08/09/2005 8:10:41 AM PDT by RetiredArmy (The government and courts are stealing your freedom & liberty!)
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To: TBarnett34

He probably said he believes there is a God or claimed to be a CHRISTIAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

There is no room in our military for people of faith - damn it if they want to go out and defend our country and put their life on the line then they should ultimate faith in themselves and liberal ideology. (sarcasm alert)


24 posted on 08/09/2005 8:13:23 AM PDT by sasafras (Enforce the border, take away all the benefits and penalize employers who hire illegals)
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To: tfecw

These things are almost always related to sex outside of marriage; either a subordinate or the spouse of another military member.

If it was financial problems or alcoholism, he would have just been reassigned or, more likely, just retired.


25 posted on 08/09/2005 8:14:25 AM PDT by connectthedots
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To: Boundless

I worked at the Pentagon during the Clinton years. The whole place oozes conservatism. I loved working there.

The only problem there was that many high ranking officers were retiring because Ashley Wilkes and Billary were so difficult to work with, to get the military job done.

The only exception I found was in the medical area...a lot of liberals were in there. Not a majority, but that is where they clustered. ANd, even then, most were not Demoncrat liberals, just RINOs.


26 posted on 08/09/2005 8:16:04 AM PDT by Sensei Ern (Christian, Comedian, Husband,Opa, Dog Owner, former Cat Co-dweller, and all around good guy.)
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To: RetiredArmy

That would be true after a major war at the time and even through WW II. That was in the time when RA officers were not forced out if they did not advance. Promotionand retention policies are far different now.

My guess is that he is a permanent, but now only temporarily, a general. I still think he will lose two stars and be retired.


27 posted on 08/09/2005 8:18:22 AM PDT by connectthedots
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To: connectthedots
"These things are almost always related to sex outside of marriage"

Bingo. Sexual harassment and theft are the only things people actually get fired for these days... and I really doubt he stole a tank. If it were any other offense, he'd be "stepping down to spend more time with his family."

28 posted on 08/09/2005 8:20:30 AM PDT by Fabozz
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To: sauropod; rightwing2
Any scuttlebutt from your end?
29 posted on 08/09/2005 8:23:47 AM PDT by SLB ("We must lay before Him what is in us, not what ought to be in us." C. S. Lewis)
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To: connectthedots

Yeah my dad seems to think so as well. That's too bad, I thought highly of him.


30 posted on 08/09/2005 8:25:33 AM PDT by tfecw (Vote Democrat, It's easier than working)
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To: SLB
When it's a four star and no mention of the offense, it's highly likely that zipper failure is involved.

No idea here, but were I a gambling man...

31 posted on 08/09/2005 8:26:56 AM PDT by xsrdx (Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas)
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To: July 4th

J4,
That's a good guess.

One too many DUIs might do it too.


32 posted on 08/09/2005 8:28:21 AM PDT by Gefreiter ("Are you drinking 1% because you think you're fat?")
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To: Boundless
Good morning.
"...the Army has too many soldiers who have lost
touch with their inner warrior..."

My problem is that my inner warrior is still in there 35 years later and he flat wears me out sometimes.

Michael Frazier
33 posted on 08/09/2005 8:30:30 AM PDT by brazzaville (No surrender,no retreat. Well, maybe retreat's ok)
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To: SLB
"...obviously he is suspect of doing something."
Or nothing. Indeed, it could give rise to "he was not doing anything, but he WAS NOT DOING ANYTHING!" and other such puns.
34 posted on 08/09/2005 8:32:17 AM PDT by GSlob
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To: tfecw
Yeah my dad seems to think so as well. That's too bad, I thought highly of him.

If it is related to sex outside of marriage, it is not an unforgivable sin. If he changes, it is the Christian thing to forgive; especially if this was out of character. Even David got caught up in it.

If it is something that has been an long term and ongoing character problem, he deserves no compassion.

It's a fact of life in the military that sexual misconduct has severe consequences.

35 posted on 08/09/2005 8:34:22 AM PDT by connectthedots
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To: Gefreiter
One too many DUIs might do it too.

Doubtful. One DUI for a military officer will get you in serious trouble, no way he would have been promoted with any DUIs and getting a first one at age 50 something would be odd.

36 posted on 08/09/2005 8:35:16 AM PDT by xsrdx (Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas)
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To: xsrdx
"it's highly likely that zipper failure is involved."

Hahaha Made me giggle like a school girl there... : ) <<< me

37 posted on 08/09/2005 8:37:37 AM PDT by stopsign ( ("What great fortune for government, that people don't think". ...Der Fuhrer... [hummmm...]))
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To: xsrdx; Gefreiter

Also doubtful because 4Stars rarel drive themselves...they are in the back seat of a car with flags above the headlights.


38 posted on 08/09/2005 8:43:07 AM PDT by Positive (Nothing is sadder than to see a beautiful theory murdered by a gang of brutal facts.)
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To: SLB

Gen. Kevin P. Byrnes has been charged with failing to remove his shoes and prostrate himself when a detainee opened his Koran.


39 posted on 08/09/2005 8:44:04 AM PDT by montag813
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To: SLB

Holy Moly! This is big. Off the top of my head, I can't think of another Army 4-Star being relieved, openly, in the last 45 years. Probably one or two, I just can't think of any.

Wesley was brought back early from NATO.
Kernan was forced out at the end of his two years at Joint Forces Command.
Was it Warner (or Wagner) in Panama (SOUTHCOM) who was eased out for Mad Max Thurman just before we invaded?

We are certainly living in interesting times.


40 posted on 08/09/2005 9:05:18 AM PDT by leadpenny
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