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Don't Ask Don't Tell Policy is Destroying the Church
Christian Worldview Network ^ | 08/08/2005 | Ingrid Schlueter

Posted on 08/09/2005 7:26:27 AM PDT by SirLinksalot

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1 posted on 08/09/2005 7:26:32 AM PDT by SirLinksalot
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To: SirLinksalot

Might want to use this link instead:

http://www.worldviewweekend.com/secure/cwnetwork/print.php?ArticleID=192


2 posted on 08/09/2005 7:28:44 AM PDT by spycatcher
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To: SirLinksalot

"bump" to finish later...quite thought-provoking, isn't it?!


3 posted on 08/09/2005 7:31:45 AM PDT by 88keys
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To: SirLinksalot

Yeah, let's put away all that Bible-stuff that causes debates and focus more on the frilly-goodness that no one takes any issue with!

Straight and narrow is the path and few there be who find it.

Lexington, KY


4 posted on 08/09/2005 7:34:43 AM PDT by Spacewolfomega
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To: Spacewolfomega

Yes--and as the Apostle Paul wrote to Timothy(2Timothy4:3,4)
For the time will come when men willnot put up with sound
doctrine>Instead ,to suit thei rown desires,they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.They will turn their ears away from the truth,and turn aside to myths"Sounds like this silly woman has proven Paul to be prophetic.


5 posted on 08/09/2005 7:54:31 AM PDT by StonyBurk
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These people are the reason that we have the mess in the church that we have, from homosexuals in the pulpit, to new agers running ministry outreaches.

We need a good old fashioned Gideon's Revival (one where we lose 30,000, and par down to the 300).


6 posted on 08/09/2005 8:11:07 AM PDT by TrailofTears (We laugh at honor and are shocked that traitors are in our midst!!! C.S. Lewis)
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To: SirLinksalot

Disgusting spirit of apostasy.

Jesus wondered if there would any faithful would remain when HE returns. We will remain, but it appears we will soon be a reviled minority.


7 posted on 08/09/2005 8:15:18 AM PDT by msf92497 (My brain is "twitchy")
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To: SirLinksalot

bttt


8 posted on 08/09/2005 8:25:14 AM PDT by aberaussie
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To: SirLinksalot

The "commercialization" of the Church.....is what really bothers me......sometimes I find myself wondering whether it's just a big ponzi scheme.......


9 posted on 08/09/2005 9:05:22 AM PDT by goodnesswins (Our military......the world's HEROES!)
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To: SirLinksalot

The purpose is not one of evangelism, but rather teaching the traits of Jesus to help others achieve personal success.

It ain't about gettin', it's about giving and serving.


10 posted on 08/09/2005 9:05:25 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple (Seeking the truth here folks.)
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To: PeterPrinciple

Folks,

I think the problem is that the church is losing its focus on timeless principles and embracing Fadishness. Too many fads really. Count them ---> WWJD bracelets and jewelry ( without understanding what WWJD really means), The Prayer of Jabez ( which was so cool a few years back only to disappear later), newspaper eschatology, etc. etc. etc.

We've got to go back to basics folks. It ain't easy because it requires discipline. But thats the problem with Christianity today. We've been bitten by the 30 second sound byte bug.


11 posted on 08/09/2005 9:33:25 AM PDT by SirLinksalot (Embracing too much fadishness)
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To: SirLinksalot

The biography of Billy Sunday has a picture of him talking to Mae West. My pastor's father preached in the same pulpit once used by Billy Sunday. And, I listen to my pastor preach every Sunday.

That does not mean I find Mae West as an acceptable Christian lifestyle. Madonna, the wretched singer, not The Madonna, could be today's Mae West, and I find her uterly repulsive.

I hate writers who use condemnation by association.

You know what? The writer of the article posts on the same web as the Satanists!


12 posted on 08/09/2005 9:42:30 AM PDT by Sensei Ern (Christian, Comedian, Husband,Opa, Dog Owner, former Cat Co-dweller, and all around good guy.)
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To: Sensei Ern
I hate writers who use condemnation by association.

Ditto and Amen!

I've read books by Max Lucado and Laruie Beth Jones. I guess I'm an apostic satanist, as well. /sarcasm
13 posted on 08/09/2005 11:47:24 AM PDT by Texas2step (<><)
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To: Sensei Ern

The article is about "Christian" speakers endorsing multiple New Age books and/or being New Agers themselves.

If Billy Sunday endorsed Helena Blavatsky books, that's a huge problem. If Billy Sunday participated in half-gospel half-New Age seminars with Helena Blavatsky's friends, that's a problem.

By the way, Rick Warren was actually a big part of the latest Live8 concert agenda, which did star Madonna! But that was more about a marxist social gospel than New Age spirituality though, so people aren't criticizing him so much for that poor choice.

So the problem isn't casual association with the world's lefty rock or business management stars as you imply. It's about Christians embracing the New Spirituality, and New Agers who embrace Christianity just enough to fool our weak Christian leaders and their Biblically illiterate flock.


14 posted on 08/09/2005 11:48:53 AM PDT by spycatcher
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To: Sensei Ern

<<<<
You know what? The writer of the article posts on the same web as the Satanists!
>>>>

Really ! I didn't know that !

1) Could you show us that this is true ?
2) And if #1 is true, does the writer, knowing that this is so, invite these same people to come to her church to speak ( just like some of the people in the said article did ) ?

My point :

There is a difference between not knowing that you are on the same website as people whose worldview you do not endorse and inviting them openly to preach and teach in your pulpit.


15 posted on 08/09/2005 11:52:06 AM PDT by SirLinksalot (Embracing too much fadishness)
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I didn't say the same website. I said the same web...aka internet...and you know what? the internet was invented by Al Gore, the tree-hugging do nothing positive who took bribes from Chinese Buddhist monks who were under a vow of poverty.


16 posted on 08/09/2005 11:58:00 AM PDT by Sensei Ern (Christian, Comedian, Husband,Opa, Dog Owner, former Cat Co-dweller, and all around good guy.)
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To: Texas2step
I have a friend that attends Max Lucado's church in S.A. He said that the watered-down Purpose Driven gospel is pretty much the rule there now, for what it's worth. It seems the majority today loves either the watered down stuff, or Osteen's cotton candy gospel from Houston.

You've got to wonder when Texans have jumped the shark. That's as bible belt as you're going to get. Maybe it's just the liberal influence that comes with bigger cities and mega churches.

17 posted on 08/09/2005 12:11:38 PM PDT by spycatcher
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I don't know about his church, because I've never been there. I do know that I've read his books, which have been a tool God has used in my life to bring me closer to Himself.

Based on Max's books, I haven't seen an embracing of new age spirituality, or anything other than the Truth of Christ crucified and the covering of believers in His infinite Grace.

But, according to this article, it wants us to believe that Max is endorsing new age sprituality and pop psychology, and I don't believe that he has.

Based on reading the article, Max has maybe had Rick Warren or someone like that preach in his church. Then Rick's on Ken Blanchard's board of directors and Ken Blanchard (who the last time I looked never even professed to be a preacher, a prophet, or a candlestick maker) has attended some new age/pop psychology conference.

Ergo, Max worships the devil. It's all so clear, don't you see.
18 posted on 08/09/2005 3:35:04 PM PDT by Texas2step (<><)
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To: spycatcher
I don't know about his church, because I've never been there. I do know that I've read his books, which have been a tool God has used in my life to bring me closer to Himself.

Based on Max's books, I haven't seen an embracing of new age spirituality, or anything other than the Truth of Christ crucified and the covering of believers in His infinite Grace.

But, according to this article, it wants us to believe that Max is endorsing new age sprituality and pop psychology, and I don't believe that he has.

Based on reading the article, Max has maybe had Rick Warren or someone like that preach in his church. Then Rick's on Ken Blanchard's board of directors and Ken Blanchard (who the last time I looked never even professed to be a preacher, a prophet, or a candlestick maker) has attended some new age/pop psychology conference.

Ergo, Max worships the devil. It's all so clear, don't you see.
19 posted on 08/09/2005 3:36:17 PM PDT by Texas2step (<><)
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To: Texas2step
Not sure that I'd want to mock concern about the corruption of the Gospel of Jesus Christ if I were you, but that's your personal choice.

Have you ever seen the Max Lucado infomercial? Jesus, the cross, Christ, sin, the Bible, salvation, etc are never mentioned once.

Feel free to be, or follow the kind of Christian that will deny Christ for personal gain and see how far it gets you in God's eyes. My guess is not far.

20 posted on 08/09/2005 4:46:13 PM PDT by spycatcher
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