The point is that since many 18 year old girls are known to volunatrily engage in sex you can't assert that "any sex was definitely agaisnt her will" without any corroborating evidence. Do you believe that "any sex was definitely against her will"? If so, why?
Defenitely, I can't, and neither can you say that she willingly agreed to sex. Since neither one of us can say for sure, I'll give you my reasons why I believe, if there was any sex involved, it was against her will.
1. She had just met the boys.
2. The environment (in a car in a foreign land) was not conducive to such an act.
3. I've come to learn about Nat in these threads and elsewhere and believe her to have high moral values.
4. On a first encounter it's very unlikely for a girl to have sex with three guys or with just one while the other two watch.
5. If she had sex willingly, that would have been it and each party would have gone their way. The fact that she disappeared is a good indication that she resisted and may have been killed for doing so.
> Defenitely, I can't, and neither can you say that she
> willingly agreed to sex.
And that I never claimed.
> 1. She had just met the boys.
You mean you have never done it with a girl/woman you have met the same day?
> 2. The environment (in a car in a foreign land) was not
> conducive to such an act.
I would say the environment (vacation, in a foreign land) is very much conducive to letting loose and doing things one would not normally do it at home.
> 3. I've come to learn about Nat in these threads and
> elsewhere and believe her to have high moral values.
Ties into 2. Away from home, things are a little different. Esepcially if alcohol is consumed.
> 4. On a first encounter it's very unlikely for a girl to
> have sex with three guys or with just one while the other
> two watch.
For which we have no evidence.
> 5. If she had sex willingly, that would have been it and
> each party would have gone their way. The fact that she
> disappeared is a good indication that she resisted and may
> have been killed for doing so.
No it just means that something happened. Many things could have happened.
Something bad, to be sure. And yes, Joran looks very suspicious. But I am not for symbolically crucifying a man without any evidence.