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Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 13
Various News Outlets | 8/7/05

Posted on 08/07/2005 5:22:31 PM PDT by TexKat

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RE THE LETTER from Michele Biddle of Folcroft on Aruba:

You say "one girl goes missing and everyone is upset." That is the most heartless thing I have ever heard. Someone's daughter is ripped from their lives and you're wondering why people are upset?

And you say there's "no evidence" because there's no body? What about all the witness accounts and coverup by the government?

Officials blatantly ignored or disregarded any evidence or tips leading to Natalie. They should have kept those boys from day one. Instead they chose to let a week go by before even questioning them or taking any evidence from their homes.

And, yes, maybe Natalie should not have left with the boys on her own but leaving a bar with someone does not give those people any right to harm/abduct or whatever they did to her. This crime should've and would've been solved by now if there wasn't a major cover up, period.

I'm sure Aruba is a beautiful island, and I hope your vacation there goes as planned. But I also hope as an American that you are with someone at all times and do not run into any children or friends of government officials who may cause you harm.

Kristen Elias 
Sewell, N.J. 

261 posted on 08/08/2005 10:20:32 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: TexKat

In regards to some here who can't accept that an 18-year-old girl might have moral standards high enough to keep them from fooling around...

Those who don't have high moral standards tend to have a hard time fathoming that some people would not do things that they themselves wouldn't think twice about. When someone declares themseves to be a virgin, many people don't believe him/her. That's because invariably those people are not virgins themselves and can't fathom that someone wouldn't do what they consider "no big deal." Know what I mean?


262 posted on 08/08/2005 10:22:55 AM PDT by Abigail Adams
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To: Andy'smom; NCjim; sissyjane; antceecee; ruoflaw; Mare; cyborg; kcvl; maggief; Fritzy; truthluva; ...
Natalee's Mom Hints At Cover-Up

(CBS) Natalee Holloway's mother claims there may be some manipulation of the investigation in Aruba of the disappearance of the Alabama teen on the island some ten weeks ago.

Beth Holloway Twitty asserted on The Early Show Monday that some key elements were left out of important documents given to the FBI by Aruban authorities.

The bureau is acting in an advisory capacity in the probe.

Twitty spoke after a judge in Aruba struck down a motion by attorneys for the only suspect still being held in the case, Dutch teen Joran van der Sloot, seeking to have the FBI cut out of the loop altogether.

A visibly angry and frustrated Twitty told co-anchor Rene Syler the investigation so far has been "unbelievable. And you know, not only for me, but everyone that has witnessed everything that (has gone on). And the level of ineptitude, the level of omission of things, blatantly orchestrated, you know, errors. It's just been incredible."

Asked about the judge's ruling concerning the FBI, Twitty said she's glad the bureau will still have access to information, but added, "I'm concerned about the correctness of the information that's given out. Those initial declarations (by detainees who were questioned) are huge.

"And you know, the one thing that really concerns me is, I flew out six documents, six declarations. I won't say which ones. But when you see that key elements are purposely omitted from these declarations, now I see how the investigation took the turns it did early on with those two security guards (who were held briefly, then released

Van der Sloot continues to be questioned by behavioral specialists, and Twitty says, "I am so hoping that something good will come out of those (sessions). I know they've been working very hard. And I'm sure they're very frustrated with his behavior, and also with the nine lawyers that are continually filing motions and just probably hammering away at the prosecution team.

"So you know, I just feel like it's … headed in a good direction. I don't know if I still need to make a plea to Holland (Aruba is an autonomous part of the Kingdom of the Netherlands). I'm just really concerned. I just don't think that we're still going to wind up with the answers that we need.

"Surely," Twitty continued, "someone (in Holland) could at least continue to put pressure on (Aruban authorities). I think we need more involvement."

Natalee's family has upped the reward being offered yet again. It's still at $1 million for Natalee's safe return, but has been raised to $250,000 for information about Natalee's whereabouts.

"I feel like we've done everything that we can possibly do to get someone to come forward with information," Twitty observed. "You know, we're hoping now to maybe put it into some kind of Spanish public service announcement to reach citizens … we may have missed.

"Other than that, I'm thinking just the continued pressure from the U.S., begging for more help from Holland and, other than that, the responsibility lies on these officials on the island.

Twitty was emphatic when Syler asked whether she's prepared for the possibility that Natalee may never be found: "No, I'm not. And I don't think any official on this island should be prepared for that."

263 posted on 08/08/2005 10:26:24 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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Wow TexKat! I couldn't read the first letter without signing up but it must have been bad! I'd be ashamed of going to Aruba, unless I was able to go and help!


264 posted on 08/08/2005 10:27:20 AM PDT by Froufrou (Froufrou Loves The Spurs!)
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To: Abigail Adams

I know what you mean AA.


265 posted on 08/08/2005 10:28:24 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: Froufrou
I'd be ashamed of going to Aruba, unless I was able to go and help!

At this point, my only purpose in going to Aruba would be to help search for Natalee. From what I have seen during this investigation, I do not wish to be anywhere near the place.

266 posted on 08/08/2005 10:31:20 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: Abigail Adams
That's because invariably those people are not virgins themselves and can't fathom that someone wouldn't do what they consider "no big deal." Know what I mean?

Unfortunately, for many of those they didn't have a choice in losing their virginity, so they've had to tell themselves it was no big deal in order to live with it. Certainly not in all cases, perhaps not even in most. But many promiscuous people were victims of incest or stranger rape themselves.

267 posted on 08/08/2005 10:31:20 AM PDT by johnb838 (In peace sons bury their fathers. In time of war, fathers bury their sons.)
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To: johnb838

Yes, I didn't mean to say that all people who are not virgins have lower moral standards. It was just an example I've seen wherein those who DO have lower moral standards have a hard time understanding those who live differently from them.

I didn't mean to offend anyone with that example. ;-)


268 posted on 08/08/2005 10:35:20 AM PDT by Abigail Adams
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To: TexKat

As a person who's only been sober for four years, I don't suppose it's any big deal or big surprise for me to say that I wouldn't go to ANY place like that. There's only one reason to go to an island like that and that's to par-tee. Including drugs and sex.


269 posted on 08/08/2005 10:35:40 AM PDT by johnb838 (In peace sons bury their fathers. In time of war, fathers bury their sons.)
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CBS NEWS VIDEO:

Natalee's Mom On Case Beth Holloway Twitty, mother of missing teenager Natalee Holloway, discusses her frustration with the case and her possible future moves with The Early Show.

270 posted on 08/08/2005 10:36:04 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: Abigail Adams

I wasn't suggesting you need to do a mea culpa, I'm sick of people doing mea culpas. I agree that for people exposed to sex too young there's a tendency to assume everybody else is that way too. Just like in the opposite case those who haven't seen evil assume people are basically good, and they're not.


271 posted on 08/08/2005 10:38:05 AM PDT by johnb838 (In peace sons bury their fathers. In time of war, fathers bury their sons.)
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To: TexKat

Bless her heart. Beth is out there doing what it takes. I keep waiting for her to stumble, but she just gets stronger and stronger. I hope she stays on TV as much as possible. She is one tough lady!


272 posted on 08/08/2005 10:41:35 AM PDT by truthluva ("Character is doing the right thing even when no one is looking" - JC Watts)
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Say 'no' or risk awful consequences
273 posted on 08/08/2005 10:42:37 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: TexKat

A post from SM that I really think is true.

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"Torn Declarations"

Now that these are in the hands of BHT, and they detail, in part, a sexual assault on Nat as described earlier and during last nite's discussion, we are entering the zone where Beth will try the case in public -- as she has been doing ---

BHT went basck to Alabama for about 72 hours to get "some rest". That was part of it:

1. Probably showed declarations to state-side attorneys who are readying a civil lawsuit against jvds, k2, and pvds. Likely civil suit claiming obstruction and malfeasance vs ALE and PM.

2. BHT for sure had a long sit down w/ Nat's bud's...and thsi where the "predator" spin comes from. BHT has MBHS eyewitness accounts in the bag ready to help nail the goon on abduction by deception charge.

Either way, BHT trying case in court of public opinion will almost surely destroy the goon's future. He will wear the brand of "predatory rapist" for the rest of his life.

BHT playing hardball now.


274 posted on 08/08/2005 10:42:41 AM PDT by cajungirl (no)
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To: Rusty Roberts

Whatever happened to drinking beer on the roof of the Dry Creek Cafe and watching the sun go down, or am I dating myself.


275 posted on 08/08/2005 10:48:09 AM PDT by MAWG (Diversity is where everyone looks different but thinks the same way.)
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To: beyond the sea

Hey BTS,
I get treated good most all the time. However, like my wife says "I get too, caught up in the role"

I then ask, Honey to what role are you referring? Honey says, "The role of fool," driving those poor freepers insane with your quadro-zen dialect.

"Tow the line" a song recorded by Toto, an excellent band/song.

We are all cool and have yourself a good freeper day.

Coors for Sunday,
NSNR-GW


276 posted on 08/08/2005 10:58:26 AM PDT by No Surrender No Retreat
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To: TexKat

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,165039,00.html

Wait and See
Monday, August 08, 2005
By Greta Van Susteren


277 posted on 08/08/2005 11:00:19 AM PDT by maggief (No 'luffs')
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From Greta Wire.
278 posted on 08/08/2005 11:01:47 AM PDT by maggief (No 'luffs')
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To: penowa
penowa

I'm sure you recall our discussion of the odd language "casino floor apartment" used in a court document you found pertaining to a case in aruba last week. we wondered if the casinos in aruba rent out dealer spaces to vendors so as to fall under the umbrella of the casino's licenses, etc.

Last night before the last thread was locked, a bit of discussion re jorans "fumbling" prompted me to think about joran/kalpoes, etc in this regard. As I recall, TJ Ward and/or Jug Twitty mentioned in the not-too-distant past that joran wag a bis loser as far as his "gambling goes.

The following is a compilation of 2 or 3 posts from last night, addressing money-laundering through casinos in aruba:
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Q…..JVDS was gambling there anyway on someone's money.
….How does a 17 year old afford to do the gambling and partying he seemed to do?

A….That one's pretty simple, but too obvious....I didn't even think of it until I read your question, though:

Losers cash money taken in at casinos is all the same.....by that I mean those legitimate tourist gamblers as well as the cash of those who are there to deliberately lose it to the casino to be laundered within the tourists cash.

It is possible, even very likely that joran was allowed to deposit dirty money for laundering through "losses" in the casino(s).

remember, joran described the kalpoos as his "gambling buddies"......hangs out with them at the laundromat, I suppose!

His own little pile of cash doesn't need laundering.....in fact, his own little pile of cash is probably gotten as commission for laundering dirty BIG money for some bigtime drug/whatever dealer who gets it back clean thru big WINS at the casino from the same dealer.

joran and kalpoos also probably make pocket money selling small amounts of drugs to tourists for local consumption.

The scenario.....

I'm a drug dealer with a wad of dirty cash......you AB a dozen other street-urchins each go to the casino and lose 10k of my cash to a certain dealer in a certain "casino floor apartment". In return I will pay each of you 200 dollars for an hours work.

moral.....for 2400 bucks, I have cleaned 120k halfway......now, when I go to the "casino floor apartment" and WIN 120k dollars, I tip the dealer.

By the way (at the cash-out window) Mr Casino-owner.....please give me the 120k as a clean certified check, as I cannot travel with that much cash.

simple as that.

And aruba thrives on it.
279 posted on 08/08/2005 11:01:50 AM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: cajungirl; Andy'smom; NCjim; sissyjane; antceecee; ruoflaw; Mare; cyborg; kcvl; maggief; Fritzy; ...
Thanks cajungirl. One has to do what one has to do. Since Natalee has not been found thus far it is good that Beth can keep this ragged investigation and possible cover up out there in the media.

Some in the media want to focus on the medias attention to the story. We must do all we can to help Beth keep the story active and front in the media. Send your e-mails to all cable news and MSM outlets informing them that this is what we want. Natalee is America's daughter and we want her back. The sooner the better.

280 posted on 08/08/2005 11:04:01 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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