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Prices Fuel a Rebellion
Washington Post. ^

Posted on 08/07/2005 5:10:04 PM PDT by traumer

Drivers Tired of Paying More for Premium Gasoline Switch to Regular

For some people, it's hitting the big five-oh that really hurts -- that is, dropping $50 on a tank of gas. For others, it's just that relentless upward creep in prices that gets their attention.

Whatever the trigger, drivers pulling up to the pump in vehicles that ostensibly require high-grade gas are wondering if they really need the more expensive fuel or whether it's okay just to fill it up with regular. As gas prices soar, car owners increasingly are going for the cheaper stuff -- no matter how fancy their wheels. And station owners and oil companies are seeing the impact: Sales of premium and mid-grade gasoline are tumbling.

It's an age-old response, industry experts say, for drivers to switch from pricey, higher-octane formulations of gas to cheaper alternatives whenever gasoline prices rise substantially. Now, with prices stuck stubbornly high, oil experts wonder whether high-grade gas will go the way of the Studebaker.

"I foresee no serious decline in prices anytime soon, so the question is, will consumers' buying habits change permanently if the higher prices stay as they are," said Daniel F. Gilligan, president of the Petroleum Marketers Association, which represents independent filling stations. "Will it be more difficult to attract consumers back to the higher-octane fuels? I don't know."

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KEYWORDS: diesel; energy; gasprices; oil
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To: 38special
My Harley Engine needs high octane but I only buy three gallons at a time. I have been riding it a lot lately because it gets 47 miles per gallon and my Silverado only gets 18.
41 posted on 08/07/2005 6:09:36 PM PDT by vetvetdoug (Shiloh, Corinth, Iuka, Brices Crossroads, Harrisburg, Britton Lane, Holly Springs, Hatchie Bridge,)
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To: MarkL
Early and mid 90's Toyota Camrys are a really great example of this.

I drive a 2002 Mazda 626. 89 octane prevents the knocking I experienced using 87.

42 posted on 08/07/2005 6:09:59 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (Rick Nash will score 50 goals this season ( if there is a season)
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To: traumer

Ah, for the old days of 101 octane. Back then you needed more octane you just dumped more tetra elthyl lead into it. Bingo, no more knocking.

Shucks, didn't hurt anyone but the ghetto kids playing near the highways, breathing all the "leaded air" into their lungs. Trouble with that was, it lowered their IQs and they grew up to be DIMocrats. /semi-sarcasm


43 posted on 08/07/2005 6:14:44 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s......you weren't really there.)
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To: 38special

It's almost impossible to find 93 octane in Oklahoma City; so I use 91.


44 posted on 08/07/2005 6:20:36 PM PDT by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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To: ChildOfThe60s

>>>"Trouble with that was, it lowered their IQs and they grew up to be DIMocrats. /semi-sarcasm'<<<

And their Children are now Gangsta Rappers


45 posted on 08/07/2005 6:20:36 PM PDT by TexasTransplant (NEMO ME IMPUNE LACESSET)
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To: oceanview
The current oil crisis is in the minds of the oil speculators.

I hope they get burned like the Euro money traders.
46 posted on 08/07/2005 6:25:31 PM PDT by OKIEDOC (There's nothing like hearing someone say thank you for your help.)
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To: B Knotts
Still, even at that price, I don't regret having a diesel car that gets 27 mpg, while weighing in at 3600 lbs.

What are you driving, an armored Limo?
47 posted on 08/07/2005 6:28:06 PM PDT by Husker24
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To: mysterio

Gouging during a rising market would bring an investigation I think, don't you?


48 posted on 08/07/2005 6:32:56 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: TexasTransplant

>>>"Trouble with that was, it lowered their IQs and they grew up to be DIMocrats. /semi-sarcasm'<<<

>>>>>And their Children are now Gangsta Rappers<<<<

With even lower IQs and language skills


49 posted on 08/07/2005 6:50:45 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s......you weren't really there.)
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To: TexasTransplant

They're using it to make Ethanol.


50 posted on 08/07/2005 6:52:19 PM PDT by Fog Nozzle
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity

If the oil companies continue to break records on profits, the people of this country will eventually get wise and say "WTF?" I thought there was a shortage of some kind here? Maybe. just maybe congress will start looking out forthe little guy.


51 posted on 08/07/2005 6:54:07 PM PDT by trubluolyguy (I got an idea, and idea so devious my head would explode if I even began to know what it was.)
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To: motzman

"Mandate $1.50, then wait in line on odd days to fill up"


Maybe $1.80


52 posted on 08/07/2005 6:57:57 PM PDT by trubluolyguy (I got an idea, and idea so devious my head would explode if I even began to know what it was.)
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To: Fog Nozzle

Say it ain't so.


53 posted on 08/07/2005 7:01:51 PM PDT by TexasTransplant (NEMO ME IMPUNE LACESSET)
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To: TexasTransplant
Why is Diesel so high?

It's been my impression that taxes are higher on diesel. Just checked European prices..diesel is cheaper there, not by much but cheaper except the UK where they tax it more.

54 posted on 08/07/2005 7:04:34 PM PDT by DeFault User
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To: Husker24

A full-size SUV weighs 5500 pounds. An Excursion weighs 7600.


55 posted on 08/07/2005 7:18:27 PM PDT by Dataman
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To: mhx
quote Just got back from the gas station -- noticed that diesel fuel was at 3.09 a gallon. Now, I haven't seen that before. /quote

The worst thing about the price jump for diesel is not for the automotive consumer, it is added cost for cartage companies who depend on diesel to run their trucks and trains. This cost will be passed on to all consumers when delivered products reach the retail level. Inflation is just around the corner in my opinion, and Greenspan is a fool if he doesn't stop and reverse the rise of the prime rate now. The economy is barely growing as it is, and a round of inflation will pop the bubble in a big way, and as goes the American economy,so goes the world. Once the deflation starts, we will be looking at a severe recession bordering on a depression. And the last time we had a depression, it took a world war to start the economic engines up again. Unfortunately, Like Albert Einstein said, "I do not know with what weapons World War 3 will be fought, but World War 4 will be fought with sticks and stones." I hope things can be brought back under control, but things don't look good.

56 posted on 08/07/2005 7:21:25 PM PDT by Surtur (Free Trade is NOT Fair Trade unless both economies are equivalent.)
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To: TexasTransplant

Because the GOVERNMENT has mandated that Diesel fuel cannot contain sulphur, which means it is more expensive to manufacture.


57 posted on 08/07/2005 7:22:08 PM PDT by TexConfederate1861 (General Robert E. Lee , an AMERICAN example of honor & courage!)
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To: TexasTransplant

Does anybody know?

Yeah,

you do

and so does everyone else..........

I'd at least like to get a nice dinner first..........


58 posted on 08/07/2005 7:24:31 PM PDT by WhiteGuy (Vote for gridlock - Make the elected personally liable for their wasteful spending)
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To: MarkL
A guy at work got rid of his Camry after he was told that he needed a new engine due to a sludge problem. I thought they were just shining him on.
59 posted on 08/07/2005 7:24:47 PM PDT by Shawndell Green (Mecca delenda est!)
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To: buccaneer81
I drive a 2002 Mazda 626. 89 octane prevents the knocking I experienced using 87.

As I posted, the detergents in gasoline is totally different than the octane rating. Octane rating is what helps prevent knocking, AKA ping, or detonation. It's VERY important to use the octane rating that keeps your engine from knocking, as you can cause terrible damage to your pistons. Sometimes, people with older cars will need to use higher octane gas to avoid knocking, due to carbon buildup in the combustion chambers, causing higher pressures.

What I was talking about was the dropping of the levels of detergents would cause varnish and other deposits to accumulate on the walls of the cylinders, to be scraped into the oil pan, causing sludge. Eventually, this sludge would block the oil pickup, causing the engine to stop pumping oil, causing the destruction of the engine.

Mark

60 posted on 08/07/2005 7:24:59 PM PDT by MarkL (It was a shocking cock-up. The mice were furious!)
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