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As a conservative Democrat, I am encouraged that a significant number of Democratic Senators supported this common sense legislaton to ban lawsuits against gun manufacturers when their guns are used by criminals. Democrats need to strongly support Second Amendment rights and mandatory sentences from criminals who use guns to commit crimes. I think that may be the start of a pro-gun rights trend among Democrats.
1 posted on 08/07/2005 3:53:23 PM PDT by RightDemocrat
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To: RightDemocrat

Now if they could defeat the bullet ID bill in Kalifornia I'd be happy. If the Kali bill passes it will open up a whole new front in the gun control wars.


2 posted on 08/07/2005 3:56:16 PM PDT by Arkie2 (No, I never voted for Bill Clinton. I don't plan on voting Republican again!)
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To: RightDemocrat
Conservative Democrat huh? That's an oxymoron as ridiculous as pretty ugly. What makes you a Democrat?
3 posted on 08/07/2005 4:02:00 PM PDT by DuckFan4ever
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To: RightDemocrat
"I think that may be the start of a pro-gun rights trend among Democrats."


I'm sorry, but fat chance. The Democrats know this is a losing issue for them. Nevertheless, they aren't smart enough or honest enough to take a pro-gun rights position. And if they do, like in this case, it is only window dressing.
4 posted on 08/07/2005 4:08:45 PM PDT by need_a_screen_name
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To: RightDemocrat

The only reason they went along was because it included
Mandatory gun locks be encluded with each sale, that
and it was going to pass anyway.


6 posted on 08/07/2005 4:17:25 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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"I think that may be the start of a pro-gun rights trend among Democrats."

Yeah, right.
We know how this game is played.

11 posted on 08/07/2005 4:25:50 PM PDT by labette (A living, breathing, constitution is the model of doublespeak.)
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To: RightDemocrat
For anybody interested they can see the roll call vote at the below link.

Link

hillary was at least honest and showed her true self by voting against the 2nd amendment.

The only Pubbie who voted against was dewine(OH).

15 posted on 08/07/2005 4:36:53 PM PDT by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: RightDemocrat
I think that may be the start of a pro-gun rights trend among Democrats.

Nope. This is just a decision by Senate Dims in red states to not pick this particular hill to die on because there's nothing in it for them. So they hold their noses and vote for it to try and fool the rubes back home, all the while crossing their fingers and figuring which court is most likely to overturn it and then working to steer it toward that court.

20 posted on 08/07/2005 4:46:16 PM PDT by CFC__VRWC ("Anytime a liberal squeals in outrage, an angel gets its wings!" - gidget7)
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How many of there are you? Most working class folks that I know that still define themselves as Democrats today are usually clueless about the actual state and goals of the Democratic party. With a little honesty, trust and discussion, they usually come to see themselves as conservatives.


21 posted on 08/07/2005 4:46:30 PM PDT by WorkingClassFilth (NEW and IMPROVED: Now with 100% more Tyrannical Tendencies and Dictator Envy!)
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So how many in the dems in a leadership role voted for this Bill? One? Is that a significant number? Is fourteen out of the total amount of dem Senators a significant number?

Yeah, right.

Guess what? The gun owners already know which party is the enemy of the Bill of Rights and it isn't the Republican Party.

Regardless of how many dems start to vote for Gun Rights, the gun owners of this country are voting straight Republican Ballots. If you can't keep yourself safe in your own home behind locked doors, all of the other political positions don't mean a thing.


23 posted on 08/07/2005 4:51:29 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (Vote a Straight Republican Ballot. Rid the country of dems. NRA)
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Were/Are the majority of democrats really that anti-gun, or is that just the media cooperating with high-profile democrat extremist?

I am sometimes startled to learn that many of my customers, who buy lots of "AW" firearms, and even machine guns, hold CCW permits, etc. are registered democrats.

Seems there may be a distinct disconnect between the Dem. party "leadership" and it's mainstream members.


27 posted on 08/07/2005 4:58:22 PM PDT by Richard-SIA ("The natural progress of things is for government to gain ground and for liberty to yield" JEFFERSON)
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THIS is tort reform


31 posted on 08/07/2005 5:07:39 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: RightDemocrat
I think that may be the start of a pro-gun rights trend among Democrats.

I hope so.

35 posted on 08/07/2005 5:49:16 PM PDT by Tribune7
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I hope you're right, but I will believe Democrat support for the Second Amendment when I see it. All the Draconian gun control legislation has been passed when the Democrats had a majority in the Congress.

IMHO, Harry Reid and the other Democrats who supported S.397 knew that if they voted No on the bill they would pay for it at the polls. Unless I'm wrong, all the Democrat votes for S.397 came from Western (excluding Kalifornia) and Southern states, where vocal heartfelt support for the Second Amendment is a requirement for getting elected. Even RINO John McCain, no friend of gun owners, knew what side his bread was buttered on when he voted Yes on this bill.


36 posted on 08/07/2005 5:50:07 PM PDT by billnaz (What part of "shall not be infringed" don't you understand?)
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"As a conservative Democrat, I am encouraged that a significant number of Democratic Senators supported this common sense legislation to ban lawsuits against gun manufacturers when their guns are used by criminals."

And you're a democrat why?

37 posted on 08/07/2005 6:03:14 PM PDT by Desron13 (If you constantly vote between the lesser of two evils then evil is your ultimate destination.)
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To: RightDemocrat
I think that may be the start of a pro-gun rights trend among Democrats.

Would that it were so. Democrats, if nothing else, can be excellent tacticians. As soon as they sense that they have the power to do so, out again will come all the collectivist, freedom stealing proposals they couldn't sneak through before.

41 posted on 08/07/2005 7:10:39 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Disregard the law of unintended consequences at your own risk.)
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