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School on Aug. 8 ? Are they insane? (Dave Barry)
Maimi Herald ^ | Aug. 04, 2005 | DAVE BARRY

Posted on 08/07/2005 9:04:46 AM PDT by nuconvert

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To: nuconvert
The problem with elected School Boards, at least where I live, is that they are Nonpartisan Elections, meaning there is not a distinction between Democrat and Republican.

I do believe if there were that distinction, the school board in Greenville County SC would be made up of conservative Republicans rather than the stealth, tax and spend liberals, who were put there with the support of the NEA.

You look at the Bush Country Map, you look at all those red counties, there is now way that a liberal Democrat gets elected in those counties, without the help of a Non Partisan election.

Change your child's curriculum, change your child's schedule, Take back your local School Board, Take back your election process.
121 posted on 08/08/2005 4:39:55 AM PDT by scfirewall
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To: nuconvert

Dave Barry is funny. I think I will just copy this letter and send it to my school board. Here we start school Aug. 10 and I hate it. The days are still long and it isn't dark until 8:30 at night. Hard to get a child in bed when it's not dark outside. To function best in school they need adequate sleep and that's hard to do when it's still summer.


122 posted on 08/08/2005 4:48:08 AM PDT by EmilyGeiger
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit
So you are saying that teachers continuing their education does nothing to make them better teachers and therefore benefit students?

I gather you are a public school teacher. I can't imagine anyone else arguing that line, certainly not anyone who has sat in a classroom in the summertime taking education courses.

123 posted on 08/08/2005 5:00:45 AM PDT by madprof98
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To: scfirewall
I do believe if there were that distinction, the school board in Greenville County SC would be made up of conservative Republicans rather than the stealth, tax and spend liberals, who were put there with the support of the NEA.

School boards of every political stripe quickly realize that their own real constituency is their own employees, especially the teachers. For the most part, nobody else--except a few activist parents--notice what they do. And nobody is likely to run against them in the next nonpartisan election except a disaffected employee. So they do all they can to keep the employees (and their union) happy. That is certainly what has happened in Fayette County, Georgia, where I live, and this is the most conservative place in America.

124 posted on 08/08/2005 5:05:03 AM PDT by madprof98
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To: sandbar
I don't know why other schools start so early, but in Indiana most of the schools now start in the middle of August to conform to the state universities switching to a semester end before Christmas.

This happened here in the mid-70's, and the public schools have gradually followed along. August in Indiana is HOT, and many of our schools are not air conditioned. In addition, none of the school buses are air conditioned, either, and many kids in Indiana still ride school buses for 45 minutes, because rural districts are so large.

Now, because most of the kids are back in school by August 20, the State Fair (which used to run through Labor Day weekend) now starts next week in order to allow 4-H kids to exhibit without missing school. And because the State Fair starts earlier, all of the county fairs start earlier, too.

Which is why 4-H kids can't show tomatoes at the fairs anymore...the tomatoes aren't ripe!

My personal thoughts are that if the schools need to run a longer year, they should run through mid-June and start after Labor Day. June is much cooler than August.

At any rate, this entire switch in Indiana was done to accomodate teachers, not to help students. When you have had your child get off a school bus with her face beet-red from the heat, you get a little disgusted with the educational bureaucracy.

125 posted on 08/08/2005 5:16:49 AM PDT by Miss Marple (Karl Rove is Plame-proof.)
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To: madprof98
"So you are saying that teachers continuing their education does nothing to make them better teachers and therefore benefit students?" I gather you are a public school teacher. I can't imagine anyone else arguing that line, certainly not anyone who has sat in a classroom in the summertime taking education courses.

Actually, a lot of teachers don't exactly take all of the summer off. Many work other jobs or take classes. I get about a week and a half off for summer and then it's back to work so I don't usually take any classes. I've been in school for two weeks now, BUT will get three weeks off in another week. What will I do? I'll do some tutoring and a LOT of stuff for school, not to mention the thousands of other things I need to do. Any teacher who gets bored during such breaks should be taken somewhere and dropped down a hole. I will take a few days and go off on my only "vacation" of the year--back home to visit with family whom I rarely get to see.

126 posted on 08/08/2005 5:18:46 AM PDT by moog
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To: madprof98
Oops--put brackets instead of parentheses.

"So you are saying that teachers continuing their education does nothing to make them better teachers and therefore benefit students?"

(him to someone else)I gather you are a public school teacher. I can't imagine anyone else arguing that line, certainly not anyone who has sat in a classroom in the summertime taking education courses.

Actually, a lot of teachers don't exactly take all of the summer off. Many work other jobs or take classes. I get about a week and a half off for summer and then it's back to work so I don't usually take any classes. I've been in school for two weeks now, BUT will get three weeks off in another week. What will I do? I'll do some tutoring and a LOT of stuff for school, not to mention the thousands of other things I need to do. Any teacher who gets bored during such breaks should be taken somewhere and dropped down a hole. I will take a few days and go off on my only "vacation" of the year--back home to visit with family whom I rarely get to see.

127 posted on 08/08/2005 5:20:00 AM PDT by moog
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To: madprof98

Wow, you totally didn't even respond to me, just turned it around and accused me of something. Didn't you read my post? I called you illogical and then you responded with an illogical retort. I guess I was right about the whole "mad" thing.


128 posted on 08/08/2005 5:21:42 AM PDT by Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit (You are free to do as you are told.)
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To: moog

>>>I would be scared stiff because I had nightmares about them coming and taking my brain out of my head.>>>

LOL!! And let me guess, they would actually wash your brain, huh? Yeah, had that same fear myself accept it was about the Hari Krishna's at the airport. (Which my mother repeatedly warned me about)


129 posted on 08/08/2005 5:31:23 AM PDT by sandbar
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To: moog

>>>Be careful, he's going to pounce on that spelling of intelligent. >>>

DOH! Ok, THAT one was a spelling error.


130 posted on 08/08/2005 5:32:11 AM PDT by sandbar
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To: Miss Marple

>>>My personal thoughts are that if the schools need to run a longer year, they should run through mid-June and start after Labor Day. June is much cooler than August.>>>

Now this I agree with, especially being from Georgia in the heat. It would make much more sense, even though June is hot here too.


131 posted on 08/08/2005 5:33:51 AM PDT by sandbar
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To: sandbar
>>>I would be scared stiff because I had nightmares about them coming and taking my brain out of my head.>>> LOL!! And let me guess, they would actually wash your brain, huh? Yeah, had that same fear myself accept it was about the Hari Krishna's at the airport. (Which my mother repeatedly warned me about)

Some of those dreams were pretty bad. I would wake up just shaking sometimes. I used to see them walking along the highway and worried that they were coming to my house since we lived fairly close to it.

There's a Hare Krishna temple right outside this very Christian city about 40 miles from here. They actually haven't been that bad and have become part of the community. The people regard them as a curiousity more than anything. They're always having festivals so I guess people like the inexpensive food.

132 posted on 08/08/2005 5:37:15 AM PDT by moog
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To: sandbar
>>>Be careful, he's going to pounce on that spelling of intelligent. >>> DOH! OK, THAT one was a spelling error.

I make a ton of them. Being a grammar hound, it gets embarrassing when I do.

133 posted on 08/08/2005 5:39:04 AM PDT by moog
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit

You made an irrelevant and insulting comment to me, and now you claim that I didn't properly acknowledge your position. I have no doubt now that you are a teacher well versed in summer coursework.


134 posted on 08/08/2005 6:01:13 AM PDT by madprof98
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To: mware

Some of the schools here (VA) start next week, also. But the poor lambs didn't even get OUT of school until mid-June. That's a 2-month summer, for crying out loud.


135 posted on 08/08/2005 6:12:04 AM PDT by shezza (God Bless Our Troops)
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To: SALChamps03

Yes there is. It is 180 days, on a nine week schedule with somewhere between 2 and 4 weeks off at the end of each nine weeks. I was a teacher, and it is called year round.


136 posted on 08/08/2005 6:12:34 AM PDT by WV Mountain Mama ("Draco Dormiens Nunquam Titillandus" never has better advice been given.)
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To: GatorGirl

I recall why we needed an FCAT in the first place. We had no standards and large numbers of children were putting in their 12 years + of public school and graduating without the ability to read and write. The colleges had to test incoming freshman to determine if they could read and write and do any math. The public colleges had to do remediation to bring students up to a level where they could manage the college textbooks and write assignments.

The only way to have accountability in education is to test. Sure it is hard on the teachers, but without some standard test that is fairly administered and universal, the public can have no assurance that any teaching and learning has taken place.

I notice there is far less talk these days of "different learning styles," and evaluating a student's work with "portfolios" and such. Also, I believe our local schools have had to drop the week of self-esteem training they used to provide the elementary school children each year. The schools are also less understanding about poor behavior and less accommodating of it. "Whole language" and "rainforest math" are unlikely to make much headway in Florida because they prevent children from learning to read and do math and will therefore lower a school's overall FCAT score.

Our #1 elementary school in my county is a no-nonsense, back-to-basics school where the student and parent must get on a waiting list to apply to attend there. If accepted, they are required to sign a contract that covers behavior, manners, homework and volunteering for the parent. This school produces a 92% level on the FCAT.

I applaud the FCAT. We lost an entire generation of children to fads and failed programs. The FCAT keeps the focus on what the schools are supposed to do which is educate the children to read, write and do math.


137 posted on 08/08/2005 8:42:25 AM PDT by Naomi4
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To: moog

My two children have mentioned quite a few times how much they appreciated having me home for them.

I also used to have all the neighborhood children at my house after school. I can't tell you how many children I have baked cookies with, done school projects and craft projects and just had time to listen to them.

We got by just fine on my husband's pay. We have no regrets on that score.


138 posted on 08/08/2005 8:45:56 AM PDT by Naomi4
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To: nuconvert

Schools in Arizona are starting at this time. I am still debating about when to start our school year. (we homeschool) I wanted to start early so I could get through a course ith my daughter by Christmas Break. We started last week, then I decided for my own sanity (since some things weren't done yet) that we will put it off until the public school goes into session. After reading this, I almost want to wait until Labor Day like we usually do.


139 posted on 08/08/2005 8:46:36 AM PDT by HungarianGypsy
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To: Grannyx4
You could try home schooling! I'm starting my new school year Aug 15, but that is only so we can take the entire month of December off. Exactly my plan. LOL!
140 posted on 08/08/2005 8:47:30 AM PDT by HungarianGypsy
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