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What Are The Darwinists Afraid Of?
The Post Chronicle | 8\07\05 | Patrick J Buchanan

Posted on 08/07/2005 6:25:03 AM PDT by RepublicNewbie

In the "Monkey Trial," 80 years ago, the issue was: Did John Scopes violate Tennessee law forbidding the teaching of evolution? Indeed he had. Scopes was convicted and fined $100.

But because a cheerleader press favored Clarence Darrow, the agnostic who defended Scopes, Christian fundamentalism -- and the reputation of William Jennings Bryan, who was put on the stand and made to defend the literal truth of every Bible story from Jonah and the whale to the six days of creation -- took a pounding.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: anothercrevothread; crevolist; enoughalready; ohnotagain; patbuchanan; sameolsameol; scopes
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To: stormer; Lazamataz
I suspect both A+Bert or Laz would be more likely to insert "panties" into a thread than fchristian.
(But only if it would be out of thread context.)
101 posted on 08/07/2005 9:43:00 AM PDT by ASA Vet (Line the border with trebuchets.)
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To: TomB
Physical systems, without ideas being inserted into them, do not evolve.

That is completely and totally incorrect. (and odd)

It sounds like one of those Saul Alinsky "Perception is reality" deals - as if what we think about a physical entity or construct changes what it is.

102 posted on 08/07/2005 9:44:02 AM PDT by tacticalogic (Say goodnight, Grace.)
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To: Vaquero
I have devout RC relatives who believe that evolution is the work of the devil.

Judging from your post, we were kids at roughly the same time. The ... mistrust ... in those days went both ways. Case in point: Mrs. Gumlegs was the product of a (gasp!) mixed marriage. She attended parochial schools, and reports that on the last day of school one year, the priest told her class to avoid speaking to Protestants over the summer. She raised her hand and asked if should avoid talking to her father.

She was always viewed with suspicion at her school.

103 posted on 08/07/2005 9:46:16 AM PDT by Gumlegs
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To: stormer

Far too coherent.


104 posted on 08/07/2005 9:47:16 AM PDT by Gumlegs
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To: TomB

That is what I said. It is obvious and correct. Obvious, unless one puts on blinders.


105 posted on 08/07/2005 9:50:22 AM PDT by bvw
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To: monkapotamus
"Our ordered universe was created out of chaos. Who or what created it? The latest theory of the evolutionists is the "Big Bang," a gigantic explosion, eons ago, did it. But from common sense and experience, when, ever, has an explosion created order? Explosions destroy. ~ Pat Buchanan

Big Bang: A short-hand label for the “precisely controlled cosmic expansion from an infinitely or near infinitely compact, hot cosmic ‘seed,’ brought into existence by a Creator who lives beyond the cosmos.” Facts for Faith Issue 3, 2000

Pat Buchanan should have done his homework before he embarrassed himself. Alvin Plantinga was talking about people like him when he wrote this:

"...how can Christian intellectuals-scientists, philosophers, historians, literary and art critics, Christian thinkers of every sort.... best serve the Christian community... One thing our experts can do for us is help us avoid rejecting evolution for stupid reasons. The early literature of Creation -Science, so called, is littered with arguments of that eminently rejectable sort.

We shouldn't reject contemporary science unless we have to and we shouldn't reject it for the wrong reasons.

It is good thing for our scientists to point out some of these wrong reasons."

"..I can properly correct my view as to what reason teaches by appealing to my understanding of Scripture; and I can properly correct my understanding of Scripture by appealing to the teachings of reason.

It is of the first importance, however, that we correctly identify the relevant teachings of reason. See #54

For those looking for their first clue- it is found here

106 posted on 08/07/2005 9:51:57 AM PDT by Matchett-PI (The very idea of freedom presupposes some objective moral law overarching rulers and ruled alike)
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To: Gumlegs
You are correct. But then again, I remembered to take my meds this morning.
107 posted on 08/07/2005 9:52:03 AM PDT by stormer (Get your bachelors, masters, or doctorate now at home in your spare time!)
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To: R. Scott

WOW-- are they really afraid of all that? If so, I take those fears as prima facia evidence that they are stark, raving mad. I'll pray for them. ;)


108 posted on 08/07/2005 9:55:12 AM PDT by walden
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To: stormer
Well, heck. That's your problem!

Mashed potatoes theory/lumpy white death ... you?

109 posted on 08/07/2005 9:58:52 AM PDT by Gumlegs
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To: longshadow

unavoidable consequence of the Law of Conservation of Energy

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This very quote approaches meaningless or perhaps a loose faith structure itself. How can you have consequences without antecedents?


110 posted on 08/07/2005 9:59:46 AM PDT by sgtyork
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To: aculeus; general_re; forgivenyeah
Evolutionism is the answer to the fornicator. If your will to fornicate is strong enough, evolutionism and all its glory is yours.

Say, if you can take a moment off from fornication . . .

;-)

111 posted on 08/07/2005 10:00:59 AM PDT by dighton
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To: dighton

Actually, it looks like win-win to me.


112 posted on 08/07/2005 10:03:13 AM PDT by Gumlegs
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To: sgtyork; Physicist; RadioAstronomer; Doctor Stochastic; ThinkPlease
*****unavoidable consequence of the Law of Conservation of Energy****

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This very quote approaches meaningless or perhaps a loose faith structure itself. How can you have consequences without antecedents?

Your comment makes no sense.

He asked where the matter for the objects in the Universe came from. I answered his question. The Law of Conservation of Energy requires that the net energy of the Universe remain constant; since the expansion of space during the Inflationary Epoch gives rise to enormous increases in negative gravitational energy, something has to balance the "energy budget" to satisfy the Conservation of Energy Law. That "something" is the matter we see today in the form of stars, meteors, planets, comets, etc.

Thus, the Law of Conservation of Energy, operating on an Inflationary scenario, gives rise to exactly the right amount of matter (positive energy) to offset the increase in gravitational (negative) energy that occurs during the Inflation, which drives the Universe to a flat geometry of critical matter density, regardless of the initial conditions. IOW, the total energy of the Universe is zero. Emprical measurements (COBE, WAP) of the Cosmic Microwave Background Radiation (CMBR) are consistent with this view.

113 posted on 08/07/2005 10:15:56 AM PDT by longshadow
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To: Zeroisanumber

Suggesting that "evolution" as taught and believed today is science is simply the highest form of religious superstition and demonstrates significant ingnorance of what science is. Whether that ignorance is willful or not is irrelevent to the issue that evolution, as the Darwinists posit, is nothing but blind, zealous religious faith...

It is superstition in the highest form.

In fact, Darwinism can NOT stand up to the rigors of the scientific method as defined by Sir Karl Popper...

http://www.nodnc.com/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=264

A form of the legal brief noted above was used to conclusively demonstrate that psychology, according to the scientific method, is a pseudo-science. A version of that legal brief has been used in many states throughout the United States and courts now routinely use psychiatrists rather than psychologists if either party objects.

This brief was adapted from both legal precedent, and is modeled after Sir Karl Popper's requirement to verify something is "science" rather than junk or pseudo science such as Darwinism.

Darwinism and evolution and believed and taught today is nothing but a zealous religious faith. And its blind faith adherents are in a panic and a huff becuase their religion is being challenged as the science fraud that it is!!

Evolution is a FRAUD!


114 posted on 08/07/2005 10:16:35 AM PDT by woodb01 (ANTI-DNC Web Portal at ---> http://www.noDNC.com)
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To: RepublicNewbie
"what are darwinists afraid of?"

supression of the truth...

flame on!

115 posted on 08/07/2005 10:21:24 AM PDT by thefactor
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To: bvw
That is what I said. It is obvious and correct. Obvious, unless one puts on blinders.

There are many physical systems that increase in complexity. How about growing crystals? Plants? The world?

116 posted on 08/07/2005 10:22:09 AM PDT by TomB ("The terrorist wraps himself in the world's grievances to cloak his true motives." - S. Rushdie)
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To: longshadow
Buchanan hasn't even made sense talking politics for a long time now, and that's supposedly his field of expertise. Finding him out of his depth in a mud puddle comes as no surprise.
117 posted on 08/07/2005 10:22:36 AM PDT by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: RepublicNewbie

Well that certainly sounds like something you would expect from a presidential candidate incapable of getting 1% of the vote.


118 posted on 08/07/2005 10:24:15 AM PDT by shuckmaster
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To: RadioAstronomer; longshadow

I can't believe that Steve Sailer is writing for this guy.


119 posted on 08/07/2005 10:24:54 AM PDT by RightWingAtheist (Creationism is not conservative!)
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To: Matchett-PI
No - because the religion of Scientism

“Religion” of Scientism?????
120 posted on 08/07/2005 10:29:21 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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