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Posted on 08/06/2005 3:01:29 PM PDT by FlashBack
Experts: Suicide Bombers Not Crazy Psychologists: Group Mentality, Goals of Iraq, London Killers Likely Can Drive Sane People to Suicide Attacks Aug. 6, 2005 - It's been said that the suicide bombers who cause the scenes of carnage and chaos relayed on American TV screens and front pages must be driven by a cocktail of religious fanaticism and outright insanity.
However, some experts -- including people who are advising the U.S. government on terrorism -- said not only are suicide bombers sane, but also that anyone of us, under the right circumstances, could become one.
"Absolutely, this is normal psychology, normal group dynamics," said Clark R. McCauley, a Bryn Mawr College psychology professor who is part of an outside team consulting for the Department of Homeland Security.
"Normal people, given the right circumstances or right set of friends, can become suicide bombers," said Marc Sageman, a forensic psychiatrist and former CIA officer.
"None of the suicide bombers would be put in a mental asylum on the order of the district psychiatrist," said Ariel Merari, one of the leading Israeli experts on suicide bombers, who has interviewed dozens of attackers captured before they could kill.
Lincolnesque? McCauley even finds insight into the terrorist mind from, of all sources, Abraham Lincoln's Gettysburg Address. He points to a passage from Lincoln's speech on giving up one's life for a cause: "From these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion."
It is part of McCauley's argument that suicide bombers see themselves like the dead of Gettysburg -- sacrificing their lives for a greater good to ensure, in Lincoln's words, "that we, here, resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain."
In short, the experts kept saying suicide bombers are not necessarily irrational, and noted that lots of people in lots of places have been honored by their societies for choosing to kill themselves in order to kill others. Japanese kamikaze pilots in World War II did it. So have Tamil guerrilla fighters in Sri Lanka. And closer to Western civilization, there is the Biblical account of Samson, who pulled down a temple to kill his enemies, which meant killing himself.
"Part of the power of suicide bombing is the impact of martyrdom," McCauley said. "Once it's somebody that you know and somebody that you care about that has taken his or her life in this fashion, that has made the sacrifice, then there is a kind of a guilt associated with doing less than they were willing to do."
That is McCauley's point about Lincoln. Obviously, Lincoln was not calling for suicide attacks, but he was trying to mobilize the troops to fight harder to honor those who had died already.
Like Columbine? That dynamic, according to McCauley, is now in play in an Internet world where each new attack turns into a recruiting event for others: Bomb-making instructions are given out. Examples are set. And if you're a young man in a group of young men, you will get inspired.
"I think anybody could become a suicide bomber," said Sageman, the former CIA officer. "It's a process."
Sageman saw such a process in America in connection with the massacre at Columbine High School in Colorado. There, the two boys who killed others and themselves got their inspiration from a wider group.
"The guys in Columbine, although they were two, they were very much connected to a whole community on the Internet," he said.
End Justifies the Means? Many would call it madness to kill innocents, including children, on a bus or train and to call it good. But in Israel, where it has been practically a weekly experience at times, Merari is convinced the attackers can tell themselves it is good and still be sane.
"What they say is, 'All Israelis are potentially soldiers. Israeli children are going to grow up and become Israeli soldiers,' " he said. "And that justifies their killing."
Outside the Middle East, how does the rational suicide bomber call it good to kill Americans in an office building or British people on a train?
"The kind of justification that is commonly employed," McCauley said, "is something about desperation: 'We're weak and they're strong. This is the only way we can hit back at them.' "
But when did the West ever deliberately hurt children? Many in the Muslim world might point to Iraq in the 1990s.
"Through much of the Muslim world, and even some of Europe," McCauley said, "it's believed that the embargo on Saddam Hussein's Iraq caused the deaths of several hundred thousand people, most of them children, from bad water, untreated sewage, lack of proper medical care."
ABC News' John Donvan originally reported this story for "Nightline" on July 29, 2005.
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the individuals aren't crazy--the group is-- like the Japanese military and the kamikaze.
"Psychiatry is the biggest form of theoretical hocus pocus in America."
A+ for the day.
"Sageman saw such a process in America in connection with the massacre at Columbine High School in Colorado. There, the two boys who killed others and themselves got their inspiration from a wider group.
"The guys in Columbine, although they were two, they were very much connected to a whole community on the Internet," he said."
Those two idiots had been on ritalin; I think we're beginning to hear exactly what ritalin, prozac, etc., will do to young minds. And they were involved in satanic activity, although the MSM kept that quiet. Guns and violence were all the MSM wanted to talk about.
Regardless, it doesn't help to have a member of the House Foreign Relations Committee threatening to nuke Mecca.
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And the fact that they don't think they are evil but are instead doing God's work, doesn't detract from that at all. It is still evil.
The hell you say. You mean to tell me that if jetliners were around back in the day of The War Between The States and some Union yahoo hijacked one of them new-fangled flying machines and flew it into some Confederate General Store full of children and womenfolk instead of dying in a face-to-face encounter with an armed opponent, Lincoln would HONOR said yahoo? Color me skeptical.
Can we be sure there's not some rationalization going on on behalf of these Model Citizens Gone Wild?
"Meanwhile researchers in the departments of sociology and psychology at UC Berkeley have found that Bush supporters and conservatives in general suffer from a rather extreme form of psychosis..."
Of course they're not crazy, they're stoopid enuf to think there's 72 virgins waiting for them, what they don't know is that the virgins are all 80 year old nuns.
It's a process of opening their life to Satan. Once that is done, the ideology led suicide is in the making.
a state instrument of social control in the justice department in the cubicle between corrections and medicine.
All that is being said here is that the office of psychiatry would rather the office of interpellation handle the problem.
Who was the first (or the last, for that matter) Mullah to strap a bomb to himself and commit suicide?
Thanks for the replies and added analysis...once again the media goes "soft" and "fluff" on the terrorists and their ilk while keeping up the attack on our troops and administration.
From Nazi Germany to Stalinist Russia to Mao's China to the Khmer Rouge to KKK lynch mobs to inner city rioters, it should be quite obvious to us that sane human beings from all walks of life are capable of the most nightmarish horrors against innocent people.
Sane people are commonly passionately pursuaded by nonsense. Sometimes that nonsense is dangerous to others.
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