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Experts question cause of Chinese outbreak
ScienceDaily ^ | 8/5/2005 | STEVE MITCHELL

Posted on 08/05/2005 9:37:12 PM PDT by dila813

WASHINGTON, Aug. 5 (UPI) -- Chinese officials maintain that a mysterious disease in pigs that has also infected and killed humans is an outbreak of swine flu, but the World Health Organization has recommended that further testing be conducted to identify the pathogen more precisely, and at least one U.S. scientist thinks it is possible a strain of Ebola virus could be involved.

The disease, which has occurred predominately in China's Sichuan province, has infected 206 people, of which 38 have died and another 18 are critically ill.

The Chinese Ministry of Health has said the disease is swine flu, which is not actually a flu but an illness caused by the bacteria Streptococcus suis. This disease, however, generally does not cause more than a few cases of human illness and it usually does not cause death in people.

"I don't think it's the bacteria," Henry Niman, a molecular biologist, told United Press International. "The bacteria usually doesn't infect humans and when it does it usually isn't fatal," said Niman, who is president of Recombonomics, a firm in Pittsburgh, Pa., that studies molecular evolution and the emergence of new diseases.

Niman thinks it is likely the outbreak is due to a virulent form of the avian flu strain H5N1 that has struck southeast Asia and killed more than 50 people.

"It's hard to tell what it is without further testing," Niman said.

So far, Chinese authorities have been reluctant to allow outside parties access to samples from patients.

Another possibility is Ebola, a deadly virus that kills 50 percent to 90 percent of those it infects, Niman said. He bases this on a report put out by a Chinese Web site Boxun.com, which claimed to be an interview with a Chinese physician who helped investigate the Sichuan outbreak.

The physician, identified only as Dr. Wang, said a strain of Ebola virus had been detected in samples from several patients in the Sichuan outbreak. This would be unusual, because Ebola has not been reported outside of Africa, but Wang said Chinese officials had attempted to prevent any information getting out about Ebola and the fact that the disease has occurred in China is a national secret.

On Monday, the Epoch Times reported, "The Chinese Communist Party (CCP) has prohibited news coverage, and has forbidden the use of the words 'Ebola virus' in reports, instead requiring the use of alternate wording."

Chinese officials previously denied rumors in late March that an Ebola outbreak had occurred in Guangdong Province. The pig disease outbreak did not begin until June.

The first human case associated with the pig disease occurred June 24, but Chinese officials did not make this known until late July, and reporters have been prohibited from entering the Sichuan region.

Wang said in the interview with the publication that swine flu may play a role in the Sichuan situation, but "it isn't the main cause of the outbreak." The doctor also said bubonic plague had been detected in some samples while others tested positive for three diseases: Ebola, plague and swine flu.

"I believe that this is basically a bloodborne virus with the Ebola and bubonic plague as its main constituents," Wang said.

Whether China may have been developing Ebola as a biological weapon is uncertain, but the U.S. State Department said as recently as 2002 it was possible China was maintaining a biological-weapons program.

In addition, Ken Alibek, the former deputy chief of the Soviet biological-weapons program who now resides in the United States, previously said Soviet officials had detected a biological-weapons facility in China. Alibek also said two epidemics of hemorrhagic fever --a class that includes Ebola-- occurred in that area in the late 1980's that Soviet analysts presumed to be due to an accidental release from a lab where Chinese scientists were weaponizing viral diseases.

The WHO issued a summary of its analysis of the pig-disease outbreak Wednesday, but the possibility of Ebola was not cited. WHO officials noted the symptoms reported in humans are "unusual" and recommended "diagnostic testing to further characterize the causative agent."

Most cases have occurred in adult male farmers who had close contact with diseases or dead pigs, and symptoms have included high fever, fatigue and vomiting. This is followed by meningitis, bleeding under the skin and coma in some cases.

Officials at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta said the agency had not been privy to any samples from China and did not know if Ebola could be involved.

CDC spokesman Dave Daigle told UPI the agency has not participated in investigating the pig disease because it has not been invited to do so by China or the WHO.

"We don't know" if Ebola is involved, Daigle said. "We haven't had anything to test and we don't have anybody there on the ground so it's difficult to comment on."

Daigle noted that some CDC scientists "are wondering whether it might be (Crimean Congo Hemorrhagic Fever)." This is a viral disease that can have a fatality rate as high as 30 percent.

If the outbreak is due to a strain of bird flu, its still vital to get samples for testing, Niman said. This is because those will be needed to manufacture a vaccine in case this flu strain spreads.
CDC scientists "are wondering whether it might be (Crimean Congo Hemorrhagic Fever)."
Researchers at the National Institutes of Health are investigating a vaccine that might prevent infection with the avian flu that is based on a 2004 sample from Vietnam.

"The problem is if this is H5N1 in China, that's probably a bigger threat than the strain out of Vietnam, because it's moving so rapidly and its more fatal," Niman said. The NIH vaccine might not work against the China strain, he added.

Daigle said the flu strain does not appear to have changed much since 2004, but he acknowledged the CDC has not obtained samples from China yet and the samples scientists have tested so far have been from Vietnam and Thailand.

E-mail: sciencemail@upi.com

Copyright 2005 by United Press International. All Rights Reserved.


TOPICS: Extended News
KEYWORDS: avianflu; chemwar; china; ebola; marburg; pandemic; swineflu
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hmmm??
1 posted on 08/05/2005 9:37:13 PM PDT by dila813
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To: dila813

Are the Chicoms tinkering with bios? That's kind of scary to think.


2 posted on 08/05/2005 9:41:30 PM PDT by phoenix0468 (http://www.mylocalforum.com -- Go Speak Your Mind.)
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To: Mother Abigail
Ping...
3 posted on 08/05/2005 9:42:38 PM PDT by Aracelis
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To: phoenix0468
In addition, Ken Alibek, the former deputy chief of the Soviet biological-weapons program who now resides in the United States, previously said Soviet officials had detected a biological-weapons facility in China. Alibek also said two epidemics of hemorrhagic fever --a class that includes Ebola-- occurred in that area in the late 1980's that Soviet analysts presumed to be due to an accidental release from a lab where Chinese scientists were weaponizing viral diseases.
4 posted on 08/05/2005 9:45:10 PM PDT by dila813
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To: Aracelis

I wonder if we will get a hitch hiker from China on one of those cheap products we import??????


5 posted on 08/05/2005 9:47:05 PM PDT by dila813
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To: dila813

"The Hot Zone" is a great read BUMP


6 posted on 08/05/2005 9:50:14 PM PDT by 185JHP ( "The thing thou purposest shall come to pass: And over all thy ways the light shall shine.")
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To: John Faust; Gene Vidocq; Allan; TrebleRebel; Fanboy Rhymer; Shermy; jpl
Proper names are poetry in the raw. Like all poetry they are untranslatable.

W H Auden

7 posted on 08/05/2005 10:10:03 PM PDT by Khan Noonian Singh
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To: dila813
Obviously their lab protocols are not as stringent as ours or the former Soviet Union. Thanks to oversight or deliberate release, we now have bird flu on the loose, and now Ebola?

To our Chinese brethren, "Thanks a lot, boneheads!"

8 posted on 08/05/2005 10:45:04 PM PDT by Aracelis
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To: dila813

The real name for the disease is muslimitis.


9 posted on 08/05/2005 10:49:18 PM PDT by taxesareforever (Government is running amuck)
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To: dila813; Mitchell

I feel sure that we are not getting the full story on this, and I find this disease outbreak alarming.


10 posted on 08/05/2005 10:52:15 PM PDT by BlackVeil
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To: neverdem

Something here to look into, Ping.


11 posted on 08/05/2005 10:56:24 PM PDT by BIGLOOK (I once opposed keelhauling but recently have come to my senses.)
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To: BlackVeil
I feel sure that we are not getting the full story on this

Probably not, but I find it hard to believe that an Ebola outbreak could be kept quiet for long.

12 posted on 08/05/2005 11:04:32 PM PDT by Mitchell
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To: BIGLOOK; El Gato; JudyB1938; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Robert A. Cook, PE; lepton; LadyDoc; jb6; ...
"I believe that this is basically a bloodborne virus with the Ebola and bubonic plague as its main constituents," Wang said.

Bubonic plague plague (plague) (pl[amacr]g) [L. plaga, pestis; Gr. pl[emacr]g[emacr] stroke] 1. a severe acute or chronic enzootic or epizootic bacterial infection caused by Yersinia pestis, which occurs both endemically and epidemically worldwide; it is primarily a disease of urban and sylvatic rodents and is transmitted to humans by the bite of infected fleas, especially species of Leptopsylla, Nosopsylla, and Xenopsylla, or by contact with or ingestion of infected animals. Human-to-human infection usually occurs by inhalation of plague bacilli–laden droplet aerosols. The most common forms in humans are bubonic plague, pulmonic plague, and septicemic plague. 2. any of various contagious diseases in animals. Called also pest and pestis.

This strikes me as more of a case of the Chicoms having a lack of laboratory support to make the correct diagnosis and not wanting to lose face, as opposed to a bioweapons program combining an Ebola like virus and the bacteria that causes plague which became out of control. People can have more than one diagnosis, especially with chronic diseases. Physicians in the West are taught to consider multiple diagnoses, but to choose the one that includes the most evidence for making their assessment, especially in their diagnosis of acute disease. This Dr. Wang sounds like a quack.

U.N. Urges China to Do More Tests on Pig Disease in Humans

Ban antibiotics for livestock

I wouldn't be surprised if China was doing the same dumb, antibiotic feed supplements to their livestock.

FReepmail me if you want on or off my health and science ping list. Anyone should post these links as they see fit.

13 posted on 08/06/2005 12:58:13 AM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: dila813; neverdem

Thanks for the post; ping. Interesting.


14 posted on 08/06/2005 2:31:13 AM PDT by PGalt
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To: dila813

Yikes.


15 posted on 08/06/2005 5:29:09 AM PDT by Sweet_Sunflower29 (When life hands you lemons, grab the Tequila and salt)
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To: dila813
The Chinese Ministry of Health has said the disease is swine flu, which is not actually a flu but an illness caused by the bacteria Streptococcus suis.

I thought that "swine flu" was caused by influenza type A virus. The reporting isn't that well researched.

16 posted on 08/06/2005 6:02:29 AM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: dila813

Sounds like the opening pages of a Tom Clancy novel.


17 posted on 08/06/2005 6:20:37 AM PDT by bkepley
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To: Judith Anne


18 posted on 08/06/2005 7:10:00 AM PDT by bitt ('We will all soon reap what the ignorant are now sowing.' Victor Davis Hanson)
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To: neverdem
About ten years ago I'd read about Bio weapons experimentation in Russia, inserting or infecting bacteria with a virus. Double whammy.
19 posted on 08/06/2005 11:24:31 AM PDT by BIGLOOK (I once opposed keelhauling but recently have come to my senses.)
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To: Doctor Stochastic
It is right, it is a bacteria infection.

Not a virus.

What is spreading is a virus though.

Someone is lying.
20 posted on 08/06/2005 12:21:43 PM PDT by dila813
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