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Raleigh varmint hunter spooks neighbors
Associated Press via Fishwrap ^ | 8/5/05 | staff

Posted on 08/05/2005 1:03:26 PM PDT by Rebelbase

RALEIGH, N.C. (AP) — Jason Williams keeps his gun — a .22-caliber squirrel-killer with a scope — propped by the sink.

He bags the varmints as they raid his pear tree and chomp his fig bush in his woodsy backyard just blocks from Crabtree Valley Mall. It's a family practice going back decades.

But newer neighbors do not cotton to Williams squirrel hunts. In a single July week, they called police three times.

"As it stands, I have fired four rounds, killed four squirrels and been visited by four police officers," said Williams, who is 41. "The first time, they SWAT-deployed. This is silly."

Hunting squirrels, rats and pigeons is perfectly legal in Raleigh yards provided you get a 90-day permit like the one Williams keeps taped to his front door.

The law dates to at least 1959, when Williams' Brookhaven neighborhood was outside city limits and the nearby mall was a cow pasture.

Granting special permits was a nod to people who thought they had a "plethora of pests," said City Attorney Thomas McCormick.

Times and neighborhoods have changed. Brookhaven might still be quiet and wooded, the sort of place where families spend eight or nine years and still are considered "new-ish."

But residents note that 80-plus townhouses are going up nearby, and Glenwood Avenue is one of the busiest streets in Raleigh.

"It certainly is far from rural," said Bee Weddington, who lives in the neighborhood. "I hate the squirrels, too, but I don't like guns. I'm not one of those crusaders, but there's always a chance you could harm some animal who's a pet, or a person, or a child."

Weddington, who is not one the neighborhood complainers, said legalized squirrel hunting surprised her. Only nine people have the permits citywide.

Williams, though, has a stack of permits dating back to the 1980s, when Brookhaven was annexed. When neighbors called the police, he sent them copies by registered mail.

The squeamishness about guns bothers him. By city law, he can use no rifle larger than a .22-caliber, and he must use rat shot, which will travel only about 25 feet.

"You could shoot your buddy in the (behind) with one and it would feel like a mosquito — if it cut through your pants," he said.

A forestry consultant, Williams has been hunting since age 5. He keeps his guns in a safe — including the rifle, when not actively pursuing varmints. He aims for animals on tree trunks so the round will strikes the bark if it misses the squirrel.

And rat shot, he says while demonstrating, can be fired from his rifle only one round at a time.

"You're not going to be bursting out in the back yard going 'Bam, bam, bam, bam. Oh, sorry Bob. I hit your head.' It's just impossible," he said.

So far this year, squirrels have torn through hundreds of pears he had been planning to can, scattering the rotten fruit across his yard.

He tried putting out deer corn for them, but they ate through a garbage can to get to a larger supply. He tried non-lethal have-a-heart traps, but he couldn't catch them.

If neighbors would ask, Williams said, he could show them that his hunting is responsible and safe.

"Yankees," said his girlfriend, Dawn Wiggins. "This isn't Brooklyn. Were not popping people over here. One he fired, I was sitting in the house, and I never even heard it."

The last time police visited, Williams said, the senior officer shook his head and walked away, cursing wasted time.

Williams feels for the police. There are criminals to catch, he said. Leave the varmints to him.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: North Carolina
KEYWORDS: bang; banglist; squirrels
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To: Rebelbase

"You'll shoot yer eye out, kid."


61 posted on 08/05/2005 2:22:42 PM PDT by savedbygrace ("No Monday morning quarterback has ever led a team to victory" GW Bush)
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To: Rebelbase
newer neighbors

Gotcha. No need to elaborate.

62 posted on 08/05/2005 2:27:37 PM PDT by doodad
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To: Tax-chick; Constitution Day; Alia; 100%FEDUP; 2ndMostConservativeBrdMember; ~Vor~; A2J; a4drvr; ...

NC *Ping*

Please FRmail Constitution Day, Alia OR TaxRelief if you want to be added to or removed from this North Carolina ping list.
63 posted on 08/05/2005 2:28:07 PM PDT by TaxRelief
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To: paulcissa
Right we always called it snake shot. We did not shoot squirrels with it.
64 posted on 08/05/2005 2:30:49 PM PDT by doodad
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To: henderson field
Actually, Brooklyn is 718.... Manhattan is 212.

My wife and I are going to VA at the end of the month to see if its a viable move for us, we're from NY. From the looks of it, the slime that we're looking to leave behind is already there.

Thats a real bummer.

65 posted on 08/05/2005 2:35:19 PM PDT by correctthought (Hippies, want to change the world, but all they ever do is smoke pot and smell bad)
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To: correctthought
Of course, it would help if I realized that this is in NC, not VA.

Reading, its fundamental

66 posted on 08/05/2005 2:36:13 PM PDT by correctthought (Hippies, want to change the world, but all they ever do is smoke pot and smell bad)
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To: Rebelbase

HUHlarious@!


67 posted on 08/05/2005 2:49:15 PM PDT by JohnnyZ ("I believe abortion should be safe and legal in this country." -- Mitt Romney)
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To: correctthought

Lots of great places to move to in VA, NC and SC...

Just remember the golden rule: Never say "The way we used to do it in New York", etc., 'cause we'll shoot y'all. (Just kiddin')


68 posted on 08/05/2005 2:52:54 PM PDT by TaxRelief
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To: Varmint Al

As I tried to point out earlier, and you apparently didn't get it, yes ATFE has a problem with silencers. No, its not legal to have one now without getting a "mother may I" from ATFE and paying your tax. That is a law that should be changed and this kind of thing (varmints) is the reason why. God Almighty didn't write "Thou shalt have no suppressors." Humans made the mistake of passing that law.


69 posted on 08/05/2005 2:55:28 PM PDT by RKV ( He who has the guns, makes the rules.)
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To: RKV

Sorry I didn't understand the ATFE thing. I knew that the BATF had objections. Just wanted to make it perfectly clear about the legality of silencers.

Good Hunting... from Varmint Al


70 posted on 08/05/2005 3:02:30 PM PDT by Varmint Al
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To: ctlpdad
Man, I rally need to get out of CT. I can't shoot at anything in town.

What town?? My best friend lives in Killingworth and one of neighbors is always shooting the squirrels, possums, rabbits, whatever, that wander into his yard.

Now, whether he's doing it legally is another question.

71 posted on 08/05/2005 3:14:56 PM PDT by KosmicKitty (Well... There you go again!)
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To: Varmint Al

Good luck to us to get that law changed. It was a bad idea at the time, and people react emotionally. Where I live the gun ranges are being attacked for noise. Doesn't matter that they were there long before the housing developments went in. Simple and cheap solution is to use suppresors. But, no, that's illegal. Catch-22.


72 posted on 08/05/2005 3:29:59 PM PDT by RKV ( He who has the guns, makes the rules.)
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To: MarineBrat

It is called birdshot here in CA. Yes, it is a small shot shell for use in 22s and can be used against rats and other pests. If I was this guy I would invest in a really good pellet gun, one with good accuracy and that would solve the noise problem and his idiot neighbors would be unaware that he was still snuffing squirrels. He would benefit from greater range also(altho not much).


73 posted on 08/05/2005 3:32:28 PM PDT by calex59 (If you have to take me apart to get me there, then I don't want to go!)
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To: vetvetdoug

I knew a guy that tried using a .410 to shoot rats in his hen house. Didn't take him long to switch to .22 bird shot!


74 posted on 08/05/2005 3:35:41 PM PDT by calex59 (If you have to take me apart to get me there, then I don't want to go!)
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To: American_Centurion

Agreed with one exception. He may have a smooth bore .22 made expressly for those loads. Otherwise, I've done the same as you with WW bird shot loads. The rifling in the barrel opens them into a pattern six feet wide at 10 feet.


75 posted on 08/05/2005 3:54:34 PM PDT by WorkingClassFilth (NEW and IMPROVED: Now with 100% more Tyrannical Tendencies and Dictator Envy!)
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To: correctthought

Daisy Air Rifles: Keeping Kids Off Your Lawn Since 1886!


76 posted on 08/05/2005 4:20:26 PM PDT by B4Ranch ( Report every illegal alien that you meet. Call 866-347-2423, Employers use 888-464-4218)
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To: Rebelbase

77 posted on 08/05/2005 5:06:14 PM PDT by mcar
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To: B4Ranch

I bought a 22 cal Sheridan pump air rifle in about 1970 and my son and I were in the back yard shooting a target pinned to the fence. After a while a while my Red Neck neighbor yells from the other side of the fence that we were putting holes in his siding and that we should be shooting toward the "other" neighbor. That "Bee Bee" gun was shooting through a piece of 1/2 inch plywood and one inch fence boards...


78 posted on 08/05/2005 5:09:25 PM PDT by tubebender (Growing old is mandatory...Growing up is optional)
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To: MarineBrat

.22 rat shot is a small amount of shot crimped into a .22 shell. It is also called bird shot. When you consider that 12 gauge birdshot is pretty much done in 100 yards, this stuff is good for busting balloons at the carnival. A .22 pellet gun would do the squirrel disposal job and would hardly notify the nearest neighbor.


79 posted on 08/05/2005 5:13:08 PM PDT by RightWhale (Withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty and open the Land Office)
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To: B4Ranch

He could try some of the Colibri subsonic .22s
no powder just the primer. very quiet.
I used to shoot down the hall in my trailor and the
neighbors never heard a thing.


80 posted on 08/05/2005 5:14:20 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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