This entire "debate" has nothing to do about Jesus the living Son of God and much to do about personal sacrifice to appease God in some fashion. Salvation was/is a gift not a reward for behavior. I shouldn't have baited you.
Nothing we could ever do could "appease" God's righteous wrath or ever "earn" salvation. It's God's free gift to us which we could never deserve or merit.
I shouldn't have baited you.
That's a big statement. I applaud you and I apologize for my angry reaction to the bait.
A lot of you people scare me. Because of people like many of you in this thread, eye witnesses of all sorts of injustice are reluctant to come forward, thus the truth rarely sees the light of day. When it finally does, you ridicule it or cover it up; keep it at an arm's length. This is what keeps the status quo going by keeping the money hoarders and sex abusers in a relatively protected place. Why do you do this to yourselves? Do you even care what is happening on a global scale?
Wake up.