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To: OESY; All

>>What about Japanese lives?... Since the ratio of Japanese to American combat fatalities ran about four to one, a mainland invasion could have resulted in millions of Japanese deaths--and that's not counting civilians....

Don't believe the numbers. Remember, people are claiming 100,000 Iraqi civilians are dead.

Don't believe the conservatives who have a "humanistic manifesto" about the bomb.

Hiroshima and Nagasaki were crimes against humanity......


7 posted on 08/05/2005 5:21:27 AM PDT by 1stFreedom (1)
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To: 1stFreedom
"Hiroshima and Nagasaki were crimes against humanity......"

You sit fat, dumb and safe in your comfortable little seat, separated by 60 years from the worst war in history, and make such a sactimonious and mindless pronouncement!

How does it feel to join the ranks of those referred to by Lenin as "Useful Idiots"?

9 posted on 08/05/2005 5:26:37 AM PDT by Redleg Duke (BOHICA!)
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To: 1stFreedom

There were over 100,000 Japanese civilian casualties in fire bombing raids of Tokyo. Conventional weapons wreaked far more casualties than those two bombs.


12 posted on 08/05/2005 5:29:36 AM PDT by neodad (I wish to have no connection with any ship that does not sail fast, for I intend to go in harm's way)
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To: 1stFreedom
Hiroshima and Nagasaki were crimes against humanity......

Had there been a viable alternative, I might agree with you. There was not, so I don't.

19 posted on 08/05/2005 5:37:08 AM PDT by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?")
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To: 1stFreedom
Hiroshima and Nagasaki were crimes against humanity......

I disagree. Torturing and beheading people, starting wars to enslave other countries, and fanaticism to the point where people would rather jump off a cliff than accept that they are human beings with faults like everyone else is not humanity. Hence, the bombs are the opposite of what you are saying. I just don't understand how you can be precisely 180 degrees away from reality. Must take a lot of effort.

20 posted on 08/05/2005 5:38:00 AM PDT by gr8eman (Idiots are idiots because they are too stupid to know that they are idiots.)
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To: 1stFreedom
Hiroshima and Nagasaki were crimes against humanity......

The Rape of Nanking was a crime against humanity.

The nuclear attacks on Hiroshima and Nagasaki were a one-two knockout punch to the regime that had brought so much death and suffering to the world.

The bombs forced the Japanese to realize they were beaten, so using them shortened the war. America was determined to win and was preparing to invade. If you'd understood anything about the island campaign you'd know that it was merciless and bloody, and that invading the Japanese mainland would have been the same slaughter on a huge scale. There would have been millions of casualties, the great majority of them on the Japanese side.

My father was on Okinawa. He expected to go to Japan next. Thank God we had the bomb.

23 posted on 08/05/2005 6:07:29 AM PDT by Max in Utah (By their works you shall know them.)
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To: 1stFreedom
Hiroshima and Nagasaki were crimes against humanity......

As the grandson of a Pacific War Veteran, let me be the first to say: you're an [expletive deleted] idiot.

27 posted on 08/05/2005 6:28:49 AM PDT by A Jovial Cad ("A man's character is his fate." - Heraclitus)
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To: 1stFreedom

"Hiroshima and Nagasaki were crimes against humanity"

I have talked to men who were assigned to be in the first wave of infantry & I will repeat their most polite reply to those who claim as you do . H*RSE SH*T!!! YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE F*CK YOUR TALKING ABOUT LITTLE BOY.


31 posted on 08/05/2005 6:39:08 AM PDT by Nebr FAL owner (.308 reach out & thump someone .50 cal.Browning Machine gun reach out & crush someone)
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To: 1stFreedom
Hiroshima and Nagasaki were crimes against humanity......

I remember where I was and how I felt when we received confirmation that we had used the A-bombs -- and that they had worked.

I was right across the road from the main gate of Elllington Army Air Corps Base, and I felt profound relief that the world-consuming war would soon be over -- and that all my friends and relatives would soon be home.

Where were you when we did what had to be done to convince the Japs to quit? (If you didn't live through the experience, then STHU!!!)

32 posted on 08/05/2005 6:42:00 AM PDT by TXnMA (Iraq & Afghanistan: Bush's "Bug-Zappers"...)
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To: 1stFreedom
It was them or us.
I guess you would rather it would've been us?
They started it, we ended it. SOBs had it coming.
If someone messes with my family I will use sudden and overwhelming force to annhiliate them. Fairplay does not enter into it.
55 posted on 08/05/2005 7:56:11 AM PDT by Manic_Episode (OUT OF ORDER)
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To: 1stFreedom
Hiroshima and Nagasaki were crimes against humanity......

In my time here on FR, I have never read a statement as stated above, filled with such ignorance and cowardice.

Try that one out on a WWII Pacific veteran...make sure you count your teeth beforehand.

74 posted on 08/05/2005 8:45:17 AM PDT by BureaucratusMaximus (The function of socialism is to raise suffering to a higher level.)
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To: 1stFreedom
Context is ever thing. Liberals ignore context regarding the dropping of the of the atomic bomb. It does not suit their purposes.

It has been estimated that approximately 250,000 civilians were killed each month by the Japanese in their conquered territories. English and Australian prisoners of war were used as slave labor on the Burma Thailand railway,some 100,000 or so died of, illness, malnutrition, and unrelenting labor and abuse. The Bataan Death march took what? The lives of 40,000 American prisoners of war? And of course, the Japanese initiated the whole war by bombing Peal Harbor, invading china, Korea, the Philippines, etc, etc.

The Japanese had their own nuclear bomb program, but you don't hear much about that. They had a bio weaponds program in Manchuria, and tested the biological agents on Chinese and Americans prisoners of war. The Japanese were vicious killers. But the people they killed somehow don't count.

We saved countless lives and without doubt saved the lives of American, English, and Australian soldiers who were horribly mistreated in their camps. But in the liberal calculus we were the war mongers and vicious killers because we made a tactical devision to drop the atomic bomb.
78 posted on 08/05/2005 9:01:00 AM PDT by Pete from Shawnee Mission (They bombed, therefore I exist....)
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To: 1stFreedom
Hiroshima and Nagasaki were crimes against humanity.....

Go to hell....

105 posted on 08/05/2005 12:20:30 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (If there was a problem, yo! I'll solve it!!)
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To: 1stFreedom

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1457450/posts?page=7#7

"Hiroshima and Nagasaki were crimes against humanity......"


You may be a nice guy IRL, but I can only echo the sentiments of other FReepers replying to your inane statement:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1457450/posts?page=10#10
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1457450/posts?page=23#23
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1457450/posts?page=32#32
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1457450/posts?page=31#31
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1457450/posts?page=74#74
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1457450/posts?page=78#78
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1457450/posts?page=105#105

and will just repeat key highlights:

"Where were you when we did what had to be done to convince the Japs to quit? (If you didn't live through the experience, then STHU!!!)"

"As the grandson of a Pacific War Veteran, let me be the first to say: you're an [expletive deleted] idiot."


113 posted on 08/05/2005 12:55:27 PM PDT by bwteim (Begin With The End In Mind)
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To: 1stFreedom
Hiroshima and Nagasaki were crimes against humanity....

You're at it again, 1stFreedom. You have a personal reason for the position you hold. You should recuse yourself if you can't be intellectually honest.

147 posted on 08/06/2005 9:30:30 AM PDT by elbucko
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To: 1stFreedom
Count it as progress that the U.S. has seen fit to forebear the further use of nuclear weapons, so far.

If we are attacked by Al-Queda with nukes, I hope our hestiance will not cause us to not use nukes to destroy an enemy who is bent on destroying us. Political correctness be damned.

153 posted on 08/06/2005 9:57:17 AM PDT by stboz
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