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China and US 'unite' over UN bid ~~ Bolton on the job already!!!
BBC ^ | Thursday, 4 August 2005, 16:50 GMT 17:50 UK | staff

Posted on 08/04/2005 1:50:53 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach

China and US 'unite' over UN bid

The UN headquarters in New York

Any successful bid to change the Council needs two-thirds majority

Beijing will work with the United States to block a plan to add new permanent members to the UN Security Council, China's UN ambassador says.

Wang Guangya said he agreed the deal with the new US ambassador to the UN, John Bolton, at a meeting.

Both countries oppose a plan put forward by the Group of Four - Brazil, Germany, Japan and India - to add six new permanent members to the Council.

Meanwhile, the African Union has voted to demand two veto-wielding seats.

The G4 had asked them to drop the veto demand.

Parallel work

Our objective will be to oppose the G4, to make sure they do not have sufficient votes to take the risk to divide the house

Wang Guangya


China and the US have different reasons for opposing the G4 plan, says the BBC's Susannah Price at the United Nations in New York.

Beijing does not want Japan to have a permanent seat on the Council and would prefer to see more developing countries.

Read key findings and see graphs about the BBC World Service poll on UN reform


Washington supports Japan's bid, but only wants "two or so" new permanent members.

Mr Wang admitted that they would be working in parallel rather than together in the coming weeks, "because we have different friends in different parts of the world."

But he stated: "At this stage, I think our objective will be to oppose the G4, to make sure they do not have sufficient votes to take the risk to divide the house.

"We agreed to work together to make sure that our interests are maintained."

Deep divisions

It came as member countries of the African Union (AU) met in Ethiopia's capital, Addis Ababa, for an extraordinary summit.

There are deep divisions within the continent on which countries would take the two permanent seats offered to Africa under the G4 proposals.

Egypt, Nigeria and South Africa are the leading candidates but other states are far from happy about being relegated to the second division, says the BBC's Martin Plaut.

But the AU agreed it would stick to its demands for the Council to be enlarged from 15 to 26 seats.

They want six new permanent seats with veto powers - two of those for Africa - and five new non-permanent seats, of which two would also be for Africa.

The G4 has proposed a 25-member council, with six new permanent seats without a veto - four for them, and two for Africa - as well as four non-permanent seats.

UN members have been discussing the expansion of the Security Council for years, to reflect today's world rather than the balance of power following World War II.

UN Secretary General Kofi Annan has said he would like a decision on Council expansion before the UN summit of world leaders in September.



TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Germany; Government; Japan; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: africa; bolton; brazil; china; g4; india; unreform

1 posted on 08/04/2005 1:50:54 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Me, I'd take China's seat on the Security Council and give it back to Taiwan. But what do I know?


2 posted on 08/04/2005 1:56:17 PM PDT by jdege
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
No vetoes for Muslim nations. (Other than France - unfortunately).

Until these nations renounce the only religion that has prooven incompatible with life on earth, they deserve no influence.

On second thought, lets trash the whole thing and start over.

3 posted on 08/04/2005 1:59:11 PM PDT by konaice
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Lets just donate the UN and all of it's holdings to the third world and quit.


4 posted on 08/04/2005 2:03:17 PM PDT by SoDak
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

...dividing us from our real allies for cheap labor in China, so that the new evil Axis can conquer the world. ...way to go.


5 posted on 08/04/2005 2:04:17 PM PDT by familyop ("Let us try" sounds better, don't you think? "Essayons" is so...Latin.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Appeasement of the new evil Axis, BTW, is the sure way to eventual nuclear conflict.


6 posted on 08/04/2005 2:07:25 PM PDT by familyop ("Let us try" sounds better, don't you think? "Essayons" is so...Latin.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
But the AU agreed it would stick to its demands for the Council to be enlarged from 15 to 26 seats.

Or what?

They'll LEAVE the UN?

7 posted on 08/04/2005 2:08:29 PM PDT by George Smiley (This tagline deliberately targeted journalists.)
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To: familyop

How is it appeasement if our interests converge on this point?


8 posted on 08/04/2005 2:09:29 PM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

The more vetoes, the more irrelevant the U.N.-- as each veto exponentially magnifies the chance that nothing will ever be agreed to and nothing will be done by them.


9 posted on 08/04/2005 2:28:45 PM PDT by patriciaruth (They are all Mike Spanns)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
My browser is stepping all over itself with the original post. Try this from the "printer friendly" version of the article.
Beijing will work with the United States to block a plan to add new permanent members to the UN Security Council, China's UN ambassador says.

Wang Guangya said he agreed the deal with the new US ambassador to the UN, John Bolton, at a meeting.

Both countries oppose a plan put forward by the Group of Four - Brazil, Germany, Japan and India - to add six new permanent members to the Council.

Meanwhile, the African Union has voted to demand two veto-wielding seats.

The G4 had asked them to drop the veto demand.

Parallel work

Our objective will be to oppose the G4, to make sure they do not have sufficient votes to take the risk to divide the house
Wang Guangya


China and the US have different reasons for opposing the G4 plan, says the BBC's Susannah Price at the United Nations in New York.

Beijing does not want Japan to have a permanent seat on the Council and would prefer to see more developing countries.

Washington supports Japan's bid, but only wants "two or so" new permanent members.

Mr Wang admitted that they would be working in parallel rather than together in the coming weeks, "because we have different friends in different parts of the world."

But he stated: "At this stage, I think our objective will be to oppose the G4, to make sure they do not have sufficient votes to take the risk to divide the house.

"We agreed to work together to make sure that our interests are maintained."

Deep divisions

It came as member countries of the African Union (AU) met in Ethiopia's capital, Addis Ababa, for an extraordinary summit.

There are deep divisions within the continent on which countries would take the two permanent seats offered to Africa under the G4 proposals.

Egypt, Nigeria and South Africa are the leading candidates but other states are far from happy about being relegated to the second division, says the BBC's Martin Plaut.

But the AU agreed it would stick to its demands for the Council to be enlarged from 15 to 26 seats.

They want six new permanent seats with veto powers - two of those for Africa - and five new non-permanent seats, of which two would also be for Africa.

The G4 has proposed a 25-member council, with six new permanent seats without a veto - four for them, and two for Africa - as well as four non-permanent seats.

UN members have been discussing the expansion of the Security Council for years, to reflect today's world rather than the balance of power following World War II.

UN Secretary General Kofi Annan has said he would like a decision on Council expansion before the UN summit of world leaders in September.


10 posted on 08/04/2005 2:45:24 PM PDT by upchuck ("If our nation be destroyed, it would be from the judiciary." ~ Thomas Jefferson)
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To: familyop

No it's called backdoor diplomacy.

In exchaneg for China pushing N korea on the nuclear issue, as well as for the yuan adjustment, the US is slowly backing away from teh G4/UN reform.

I scratch yer back, now you scratch my back.


11 posted on 08/04/2005 2:54:58 PM PDT by pganini
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To: upchuck

What's the problem with the browser?

Which one are you using?


12 posted on 08/04/2005 3:17:57 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Opera V7.54

No problem with the original from BBC. Only with the above. Sections are printed over the top of each other.

13 posted on 08/04/2005 5:01:10 PM PDT by upchuck ("If our nation be destroyed, it would be from the judiciary." ~ Thomas Jefferson)
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To: jdege

China's seat orginally belonged to India. Then Indian PM, Nehru, bestowed it to China saying, "They are more deserving." End of story.


14 posted on 08/04/2005 7:43:33 PM PDT by USMMA_83 (Tantra is my fetish ;))
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To: upchuck

Firefox handles it OK can even increase and decrease font size, maybe try that,. I assume Opera has a way to do that...


15 posted on 08/04/2005 9:48:42 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Well, shoot, let's just make everyone a member of the security council and give everyone a veto. It couldn't be any worse than it already is.


16 posted on 08/04/2005 9:56:41 PM PDT by McGavin999 ("You must call evil by it's name" GW Bush ......... It's name is Terror)
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