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An important comment from an important mainstream scientific society.
1 posted on 08/04/2005 10:31:35 AM PDT by Right Wing Professor
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I have always learned more form seeing both sides of a story and making up my own mind. The extremes of evilution and ID allow a person to see the scientific facts from both sides and make up their own mind up. At least the guy got it right that evolution is a theory and not a fact like many mistakenly think it is factual. I am not an idiot, show me the facts and let me make up my own mind.
Next Sunday there is a show on evolution on the tube. I hope they are more honest than usual.
49 posted on 08/04/2005 10:54:11 AM PDT by mountainlyons (alienated vet)
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"President Bush, in advocating that the concept of 'intelligent design' be taught alongside the theory of evolution, puts America's schoolchildren at risk," says Fred Spilhaus, Executive Director of the American Geophysical Union. "Americans will need basic understanding of science in order to participate effectively in the 21st century world. It is essential that students on every level learn what science is and how scientific knowledge progresses."

The lack of common sense and morals does more to put children at risk than what the president has advocated here. Perhaps these scientists need to get themselves to some English classes before they couch their arguments in words like "puts (kids) at risk."

54 posted on 08/04/2005 10:57:29 AM PDT by Ruth A.
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This is being taken out of context and misrepresented

The President was asked about this and accused the reporters of dragging him back to his governor days. He said local school boards should be in charge of classroom content.

He also gave his opinion that the children should be exposed to the arguments on both sides. "I think that part of education is to expose people to different schools of thought," Bush said. "You're asking me whether or not people ought to be exposed to different ideas, the answer is yes." That's not teaching ID. Teaching it would be presenting it as fact rather than one side of an argument.

55 posted on 08/04/2005 10:58:07 AM PDT by Dilbert56
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I want to hear a hypothesis from the ID crowd. Testable, with terms defined and capable of being observed, and falsifiable. That is the standard of a scientific hypothesis.
70 posted on 08/04/2005 11:06:31 AM PDT by airforceF4
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And the risk of teaching first graders that Heather Has Two Mommies and Daddy Has a Roommate?

And about Gloria Goes to Gay Pride Parade?

74 posted on 08/04/2005 11:08:43 AM PDT by OldFriend (MERCY TO THE GUILTY IS CRUELTY TO THE INNOCENT ~ Adam Smith)
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I think I understand religion and some of the different ideas for different society's gods. I just wonder what the liberals consider to be their "god"?
77 posted on 08/04/2005 11:10:32 AM PDT by mountainlyons (alienated vet)
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I guess I don't have a problem mentioning to students that some people do not believe in evolution, but rather believe in intelligent design (I.D.).

Beyond mere mention though, what else would you teach about I.D.? There are as many "stories" about creation as there are religions.

The I.D. proponents had better be careful what they wish for, as the "stories" being taught may not be the "stories" they want to be taught.

Did you know that in islam, there are about 5 different versions of creation, which lasted from 4-8 days, depending on which version you believe?

Perhaps they could teach a different version each day - islam, buddism, hinduism, shintoism, apache, cree, aztec, scientology, etc., etc., etc.

Suspecting that christians are the main proponents of I.D., I suggest to them that the christian version of creation will get little coverage by the PC teachers we have today in our schools.

There is a simple solution - TAKE YOUR KIDS TO CHURCH!


96 posted on 08/04/2005 11:23:41 AM PDT by Mister Da (Nuke 'em til they glow!)
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I think this was (another) really dumb move by the Prez..


108 posted on 08/04/2005 11:30:26 AM PDT by k2blader (Hic sunt dracones..)
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"President Bush, in advocating that the concept of 'intelligent design' be taught alongside the theory of evolution, puts America's schoolchildren at risk," says Fred Spilhaus

LOL What a bunch of hooey.

117 posted on 08/04/2005 11:38:00 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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Slightly histrionic title.


118 posted on 08/04/2005 11:39:53 AM PDT by Manic_Episode (OUT OF ORDER)
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AGU is a scientific society, comprising 43,000 Earth and space scientists.

So what? Discovery Institute has a list of 200 High School graduates who are skeptical of evolution.

120 posted on 08/04/2005 11:42:04 AM PDT by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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Biography:

Since 1970 Fred Spilhaus, an oceanographer, has served as Executive Director of the American Geophysical Union,


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Behind the Ignorance

Why are some groups more vulnerable to believing in Biblical accounts than accepting scientific explanations?


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Creationists have also become active in electing sympathizers to local and state educational agencies. In Kansas last week, for example, the state Board of Education voted to permit the teaching of creationism in local public schools.

This has prompted the American Geophysical Union to prepare a "call to arms" to member groups, encouraging them to become more involved in local and state education issues. Fred Spilhaus, executive director of the AGU released a statement last week warning, "Once again, those who value science and support the teaching of evolution but were too busy to participate in local politics lost, and science education will suffer as a result, as will science itself."

Spilhaus added, "Scientists would be well-advised to run for schools boards or, at the very least, to actively support well-informed candidates. If scientists want to see good science taught in the schools, they can't just participate as teachers. They have to get out and get into the policy making aspect of it."


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An Unintelligent Decision

Scientists blast the Smithsonian for showing a creationist film

by Mike Martin

The Smithsonian Institution's decision to show a controversial film recently had scientists calling on the august national repository to censor itself and cancel a sponsored screening of The Privileged Planet.

“The Privileged Planet promotes creationism in the form of ‘intelligent design,’” explained American Geophysical Union (AGU) executive director Fred Spilhaus. “It fosters the idea that science should include the supernatural. This is unacceptable.”


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The idea of an “intelligent designer” suggests divine intervention to many scientists. By showing the film, “the Smithsonian Institution associates science with creationism and damages its credibility,” AGU's Spilhaus said.


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“I was not prepared for the level of venom, misinformation, and outright lies about our book and film,” Gonzalez, who has authored some sixty articles in well-respected astrophysical journals about the formation and evolution of planetary systems, told Science & Spirit in an exclusive interview.

He said that his book and film are “based entirely on widely accepted, mainstream science,” and believes the attacks were motivated by “scientific partisanship” that is distorting the definition of design.

“The only card our critics seem to keep playing is that we are 'creationists' and we are up to no good,” he said. “Intelligent design has positive theistic implications, but it is not dependent on religious assumptions.”


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Fred Spilhaus, insisted the Smithsonian Institute reconsider and called on other researchers to file a protest on the Smithsonian-website.

In the United States, the Creationists are waging a campaign against Evolutionism - which was a reputed reason for criminality, drug misuse and wars.

The Creationists have had their successes: In many US Federal States there are juristic and political controversies upon Darwin’s ideas in schools. School book publishers excluded mention of Darwin. Draft laws insist that schools give equal treatment to Creationism and evolution – even though US-law regulates the separation of church and state. But those faithful to the Bible enjoy the backing of the U.S. “moral majority. A survey by research centre Gallup showed only 10 percent of Americans trusted the theory of Evolution, whereas 45 percent think God had created Earth about 10,000 years ago.


123 posted on 08/04/2005 11:46:27 AM PDT by kcvl
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After a 28 May article in the New York Times, the museum took a positive step and withdrew its cosponsorship and refunded the Discovery Institute's $16,000, on the grounds that it "determined that the content of the film is not consistent with the mission of the Smithsonian Institution's scientific research." But it still plans to show the film, and it is unlikely that disclaimers, explanations, or excuses will prevent proponents of "intelligent design" from claiming legitimacy from their association with the Smithsonian Institution.

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This is an opportunity for you to express your point of view to members of the Smithsonian Board of Regents (http://www.si.edu/about/people.htm). The film is also being offered to PBS stations. If you notice that your local station puts it on the schedule, you may also want to contact it. It is important for each of us as scientists to speak up in the defense of the integrity of science.

--Fred Spilhaus, Executive Director


125 posted on 08/04/2005 11:49:13 AM PDT by kcvl
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"Only 10 percent [of Americans] said they believe in evolution with no participation from God".

"Among scientists, only 5 percent hold the literal Bible view, 40 percent believe in theistic evolution and a majority, 55 percent, believe in evolution without help from God."


127 posted on 08/04/2005 11:51:16 AM PDT by kcvl
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God created the world.
God created human beings.
God gave human beings the desire to be free.
God created freedom (the right to life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness).

Belief that God did not create the world leads people to believe strange notions like government is god or The Supreme Court is a god with nine heads, and that our rights are given to us by government.

Rights given to us by government or by human beings can be taken away. Rights given to us by God the Creator cannot be taken away.

Lacking belief that God created the universe makes the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness erode and fall apart.

Not recognizing that God created the universe (intelligent design), that's risky.


134 posted on 08/04/2005 11:54:42 AM PDT by BaBaStooey (Ethiopia: The New Happiest Place on Earth.)
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Advocates of intelligent design believe that life on Earth is too complex to have evolved on its own and must therefore be the work of a designer. That is an untestable belief and, therefore, cannot qualify as a scientific theory.

I am curious, and maybe someone here knows. When anthropologists/archaeologists unearth artifacts that they believe were used by humans in millennia past -- stones used to grind grain, that sort of thing --, are there not criteria that are used to assess whether the object really was used and/or modified for the presumed purpose (as opposed to being a random chunk that happens to look like a tool)? Wouldn't this necessarily be a test for design?

135 posted on 08/04/2005 11:55:46 AM PDT by Sloth (History's greatest monsters: Hitler, Stalin, Mao & Durbin)
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President Confuses Science and Belief, Puts Schoolchildren at Risk

This headline speaks volumes about the writer's generally atrophied scientific and philosophical understanding.
137 posted on 08/04/2005 11:57:22 AM PDT by aruanan
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American Geophysical Union's Executive Director Fred Spilhaus says AGU is "discussing how new demands on government may affect our science and its funding and how we might want to modify our advice on public policy matters. We are also taking special care to assure that we are serving our members in the Middle East as well as possible."
141 posted on 08/04/2005 11:59:46 AM PDT by kcvl
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at risk for what, experiencing an original thought? for questioning authority?

world-gone-mad alert.

159 posted on 08/04/2005 12:15:53 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (In Honor of Terri Schiavo. *check my FReeppage for the link* Let it load and have the sound on.)
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Debate over evolution shuts down IMAX film

Cape Cod Times, MA - Jul 5, 2005

... Fred Spilhaus, American Geophysical's executive director, said the movie ''A Privileged Planet'' promotes ''creationism in the form of intelligent design ...


161 posted on 08/04/2005 12:16:46 PM PDT by kcvl
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