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WSJ: Islamic Justice Finds a Foothold In Heart of Europe - Make Integration Tougher
Wall Street Journal ^ | August 4, 2005 | IAN JOHNSON

Posted on 08/04/2005 5:34:06 AM PDT by OESY

...Across Europe, Muslims are hungry for advice about how to integrate in their new countries while remaining true to their faith. Questions range from the complex (Can I pay into a pension system that is based on interest, which is forbidden by Islam?) to the mundane (When do sunset prayers take place during the summer solstice in Scandinavia, when the sun doesn't set?). In response, councils, television shows and Internet sites have issued a flood of fatwas aimed at aiding the residents of Islam's newest frontier, Europe.

But as the French woman found out, this avalanche of advice is heavily skewed toward interpretations of Islam that can make integration harder, not easier. Well-financed organizations based in the Middle East dominate the discussion in Europe, promoting scholars who display little understanding of the problems facing European Muslims. Some advice contradicts local laws, especially in questions of marriage and divorce. And even in an Islamic context, much of the advice is issued by self-appointed experts with a shallow grounding in Islamic law. Says Khaled Abou El Fadl, a professor of law at the University of California in Los Angeles, Islamic law has become the "playing field for shabby scholarship, political sloganism and ideological demagogues."...

Europe's most influential Muslim rule-making body is known as the European Council for Fatwa and Research. It was set up by an organization and scholars tightly allied with the Muslim Brotherhood, an Islamist group that has widely penetrated Muslim life in Europe....

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: bilalmosque; europe; europeanmuslims; fatwa; france; germany; islamists; muslims; qaradaw; sharialaw; zaidan
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1 posted on 08/04/2005 5:34:07 AM PDT by OESY
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To: OESY

That's just weird.

Regards, Ivan


2 posted on 08/04/2005 5:36:52 AM PDT by MadIvan (You underestimate the power of the Dark Side - http://www.sithorder.com/)
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To: OESY
Islamic law has become always been, since the time Mohammed first imposed his lusts on the world in the guise of "divine revelations", the "playing field for shabby scholarship, political sloganism and ideological demagogues."
3 posted on 08/04/2005 5:37:51 AM PDT by King Prout (and the Clinton Legacy continues: like Herpes, it is a gift that keeps on giving.)
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To: OESY
From the IslamOnline.com website you linked to:

http://www.islamonline.com/cgi-bin/news_service/middle_east_full_story.asp?service_id=9334

Check out the comments. It's disgusting, they are all cheering on the rebels in Iraq who are fighting against a democratic government to set up(depending on the rebel) a Baathist Thugocracy or a Taliban style state.

Some of them are even saying they don't want the USA to leave Iraq because they want to see more US soldiers die. Scumbags.
4 posted on 08/04/2005 5:45:23 AM PDT by NatsFan
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To: OESY

Yet one more reason why wine makes dinner more delightful.


5 posted on 08/04/2005 5:46:39 AM PDT by Savage Beast (Love is the ultimate aphrodisiac!)
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To: King Prout
?

Mo was long dead before anyone started working on the body of Islamic law called "Sharia Law"

BTW, if you believe all the BS in the hadiths concerning the supposed life and times of Mo and his followers you are very gullible.

Even primitive goat herders in the Yemeni deserts don't really believe all that stuff happened.

6 posted on 08/04/2005 5:47:00 AM PDT by muawiyah (/ hey coach do I gotta' put in that "/sarcasm " thing again?)
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To: OESY
Islamic law has become the "playing field for shabby scholarship, political sloganism and ideological demagogues."...

Islamic law The Democratic Party has become the "playing field for shabby scholarship, political sloganism and ideological demagogues."...

8 posted on 08/04/2005 5:50:00 AM PDT by jigsaw (The Democratic Party has Irritable Howl Syndrome.)
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To: OESY

So I guess my new line of "Tommy Osama" silk shirts is going to be a loser in Islamabad? ;)


9 posted on 08/04/2005 5:50:20 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ("Democracy...will be revengeful, bloody, and cruel." -- John Adams)
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To: muawiyah

what, you mean the bullsh!t about his momma squeezing him out, him pickin' up a fistfull of dirt and shoutin' "God is great!"?
heh.
bet you some camel-humpin' sand-rats believe every word of it.

Face it: Sharia is a concordance based on the Hadiths and the rulings of the "well directed" caliphs - all of which is based on what Mo is supposed to have said, which includes a great deal of truly horrendous crap.


10 posted on 08/04/2005 5:51:43 AM PDT by King Prout (and the Clinton Legacy continues: like Herpes, it is a gift that keeps on giving.)
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To: King Prout
The Sharia was created by a bunch of fellows sitting around asking "What would Mohammad do".

This is a dangerous practice.

The Sharia was "closed" circa 1000 AD and is not subject to change. That, currently, is one of its major problems.

11 posted on 08/04/2005 6:03:35 AM PDT by muawiyah (/ hey coach do I gotta' put in that "/sarcasm " thing again?)
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To: muawiyah
The Sharia was created by a bunch of fellows sitting around asking "What would Mohammad do". This is a dangerous practice.

...not least because, well, Old Mo would probably answer "Pillage! Murder! Plunder! Sack! Lie! Invade! Rape! Kill! Rape again!" to just about any iteration of any such question.

12 posted on 08/04/2005 6:07:18 AM PDT by King Prout (and the Clinton Legacy continues: like Herpes, it is a gift that keeps on giving.)
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To: MadIvan
That's just weird

There isn't any other way to say it, sort of like finding the definition of "a."

In the book, Hawaii, James Michener spent a good deal of time trying to explain the religion of the Polynesians. The Polynesian priests would point to this or that behavior and say it is tabu. It was just that simple. Never mind that some tabu things were utterly nonsensical, such as walking on the shadow of the Alii Nui, violation of the tabu in the witness of a religious authority carried a simple sanction: death.

I may need to start learning more about this Islam thing. I've always been a live-and-let-live sort, but these intolerant souls need to be isolated.

13 posted on 08/04/2005 6:09:24 AM PDT by stevem
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To: stevem

"a" means "one"

aside from that, no criticism of your post.


14 posted on 08/04/2005 6:14:10 AM PDT by King Prout (and the Clinton Legacy continues: like Herpes, it is a gift that keeps on giving.)
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To: King Prout
Well, maybe not, but who knows ~ the guys asking the question really had no idea themselves.

You do realize, of course, that for the first 300 years of its existence Islam was generally conducted right alongside Christian services, in churches.

Again, the Koran wasn't put together (or "written" as many people suspect) until well after the first stages of the Arabic conquest of the Middle-East. The core of the document appears to actually be a handbook written for Christian missionaries traveling to Mecca to convert the Arabs.

15 posted on 08/04/2005 6:22:56 AM PDT by muawiyah (/ hey coach do I gotta' put in that "/sarcasm " thing again?)
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To: muawiyah

what I know of Islam comes from the Hadiths, Koran, the traditional history, and byzantine records once they came into conflict with Islam.

Islam swept across the former Roman territories of the Levant and North Africa in less than 50 years after Mo finally went home to Shaitan, and I have no records indicating it was practiced peacably in churches side-by-side with christianity.


16 posted on 08/04/2005 6:31:31 AM PDT by King Prout (and the Clinton Legacy continues: like Herpes, it is a gift that keeps on giving.)
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To: OESY

Well now I know why the NBA players wear baggy long shorts.


18 posted on 08/04/2005 6:46:16 AM PDT by ken5050
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To: King Prout

Isn't "kaafir" a derogatory term? I was surprised to find it in the insert.


19 posted on 08/04/2005 6:47:50 AM PDT by ken5050
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To: ken5050

technically, no.

but, like Japanese "gaijin", in usage it IS pejorative.


20 posted on 08/04/2005 6:51:23 AM PDT by King Prout (and the Clinton Legacy continues: like Herpes, it is a gift that keeps on giving.)
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