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BRITAIN DESTROYING ITSELF FROM WITHIN
UK Daily Mail via The Drudge Report ^ | August 4, 2005 | Joan Collins

Posted on 08/03/2005 5:54:31 PM PDT by jdm

A great civilization is not conquered from without until it has destroyed itself from within, said the American historian Will Durrant about ancient Rome. This self-destruction of values is exactly what is happening in England today.

Yes, I still call the country of my birth England, in spite of the peculiar political correctness that insists that it be called 'the UK' and that we, its denizens, must be 'Britons'.

Even though the Welsh are proud to call themselves Welsh, as are the Irish and certainly the Scots, woe betide the Briton who calls himself 'English' -- a much-frowned-upon no-no.

I believe that when a country loses so much respect for itself that it can no longer even be identified by its historically correct name, insecurity and lack of respect filter down to its inhabitants.

Recently, I have concluded that London is no longer the 'seat of civilised society' that the world once considered it to be, and is certainly not the safe city I grew up in.

A particular incident demonstrated the lack of respect and manners that is but a small example of the horrible, encroaching decay of the country that I love dearly.

My husband Percy and I were at a ball at the Grosvenor House Hotel -- a black-tie event attended by the socalled 'elite' of the city.

As Percy held the door open to let me through, a 6ft tall, middle-aged, horse-faced male pushed past me, trod on the hem of my dress and rushed outside to climb into the taxi that the doorman had waiting for us.

This was a person who should, or at least looked like he should, have known better. The cause of his behaviour? The awful pervasive disregard that we have for civility today.

Bump accidentally into someone in the street these days and you are soundly cursed. Look at a poor derelict collapsed in a doorway for more than a second and they'll spit at you. Surely everyone has experienced the barely suppressed rage lurking behind the faces of a vast number of car drivers.

We've become the 'Whatcha lookin' at?' culture. Why do young people consider it cool to be arrogant, swaggering and rude? Why do so many people in England seem so cynical and self-centred?

I witnessed young, drunken yobs roaming the streets kicking cars, screaming insults, pushing people and even pushchairs out of their way, attacking each other viciously and then turning on the police when they tried to maintain order.

THE WHOLE scene evoked the image of hordes of inebriated Vikings sacking devastated towns. Even during the day, feral mobs roamed the cities with absolute disregard for anyone else's property or well-being. Traditional virtues of male chivalry and female propriety were very far from view.

After all, a lack of manners and politeness in a society can only be a reflection of what the society thinks of itself.

It's frightful how being told that you are no good makes you hate yourself, and hate others. And it's frightful how quickly a whole country of self-loathers can be bred.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: civility; incivility; joancollins
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"As Percy held the door open to let me through, a 6ft tall, middle-aged, horse-faced male pushed past me."

Jean Kerry?

1 posted on 08/03/2005 5:54:31 PM PDT by jdm
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"It's frightful how being told that you are no good makes you hate yourself, and hate others."

It's not frightful. It's reality. Besides, no one can make you feel hated without your consent!


2 posted on 08/03/2005 5:57:29 PM PDT by jdm (The answer to the extra credit question on a Columbia U exam is always choice C: "Bush's Fault.")
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As I once said to some guy whose throat I had grabbed and lifted him bodily off the ground while pressing his head into the top of a door jamp, "people have manners so we don't have to kill each other" :-)


3 posted on 08/03/2005 5:59:01 PM PDT by glorgau
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... anyone else starting to think that Drudge is just about as reliable as Debka?


4 posted on 08/03/2005 6:01:27 PM PDT by Michael Goldsberry (an enemy of islam -- Joe Boucher; Leapfrog; Dr.Zoidberg; Lazamataz; ...)
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Joan Collins laying the law down on the Brits, huh? Too funny ... and sad to say ... too truthful.

To a large degree, those comments could be made about several of our larger city areas. Thank you MTv ;)


5 posted on 08/03/2005 6:05:10 PM PDT by mcg2000
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"... anyone else starting to think that Drudge is just about as reliable as Debka?"

It's not so much reliability, I don't think. It's just that his content is more varied (more gossip?) today than it was 4 or 5 years ago.
6 posted on 08/03/2005 6:05:11 PM PDT by jdm (The answer to the extra credit question on a Columbia U exam is always choice C: "Bush's Fault.")
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Blame goes to the feminist movement. When women start acting and thinking like men they lose respect.


7 posted on 08/03/2005 6:05:34 PM PDT by John Lenin (Hillary Clinton =RAT Titantic)
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What silly twaddle. A cancer is killing Britain, but it is the metastasis of radical Islam that might bring that country down, not boors who push past this has-been with unseemly rudeness.


8 posted on 08/03/2005 6:07:05 PM PDT by RightOnTheLeftCoast (You're it)
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To: jdm

whos Joan Collins?


9 posted on 08/03/2005 6:09:44 PM PDT by al baby (Father of the Beeber)
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To: jdm
egalitarianism: e·gal·i·tar·i·an ( P ) Pronunciation Key (-gl-târ-n)
adj.

Affirming, promoting, or characterized by belief in equal political, economic, social, and civil rights for all people.

They knew they could not make the stupid child intelligent, so they decided to make the intelligent child stupid. At least they are all "equal".

Britannia started teaching this "ideal" and now they reap their rewards. They always thought they could control the mob that they consciously with malice and aforethought crated.

Our rats in this country are looking at the same problem.
10 posted on 08/03/2005 6:11:03 PM PDT by mmercier (the land of unintended consequence)
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To: RightOnTheLeftCoast

"A cancer is killing Britain, but it is the metastasis of radical Islam that might bring that country down..."

I know, I know -- it's hard to resist posting things such as this, at times. Sad, I know.....


11 posted on 08/03/2005 6:12:12 PM PDT by jdm (The answer to the extra credit question on a Columbia U exam is always choice C: "Bush's Fault.")
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The same could be said for the good ole USA.


12 posted on 08/03/2005 6:12:51 PM PDT by ladyinred (Here come the judges!)
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For those who rent old films, check out "The Virgin Queen". Bette Davis does a pretty good Queen Bess, and Joan Collin's character is nice to look at. England forever!


13 posted on 08/03/2005 6:13:42 PM PDT by dr_who_2
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don't ask Monica


14 posted on 08/03/2005 6:13:52 PM PDT by wrathof59 ("to the Everlasting Glory of the Infantry".........Robert A Heinlein)
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To: John Lenin

***Blame goes to the feminist movement.***

I think you have it. Much civility was lost when we stopped treating women with courteous respect.


15 posted on 08/03/2005 6:15:21 PM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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Most guys have no respect for feminist chicks and only think they are good for one thing. Problem is it bleeds over onto the good women.

Reminds me of a friend of mine who hangs out at strip clubs and thinks all women are whores. I told him that maybe he thinks that way because of the women he chases after and that there are lots of great women out there but you are not going to find too many of them in a strip club.
16 posted on 08/03/2005 6:21:18 PM PDT by John Lenin (Hillary Clinton =RAT Titantic)
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"Blame goes to the feminist movement. When women start acting and thinking like men they lose respect."

The problem starts when the men act like women,
see I Corinthians 6:9


17 posted on 08/03/2005 6:24:08 PM PDT by wrathof59 ("to the Everlasting Glory of the Infantry".........Robert A Heinlein)
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To: PetroniusMaximus
"Much civility was lost when we stopped treating women with courteous respect."

Also as feminsts stopped expecting men to be responsible and protective.

18 posted on 08/03/2005 6:26:30 PM PDT by Bob Mc
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19 posted on 08/03/2005 6:32:31 PM PDT by DM1
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I appreciate her abhorrence. Modern society (otherwise known as the tragedy) is a liberal "success story".


20 posted on 08/03/2005 6:35:27 PM PDT by Jaysun (Name one war — anywhere — that had a "timetable".)
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