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Thank God for the Atom Bomb
realclearpolitics.com ^ | August 3, 2005 | By Austin Bay

Posted on 08/03/2005 1:18:32 PM PDT by F14 Pilot

The atomic bombs dropped on Hiroshima (Aug. 6, 1945) and Nagasaki (Aug. 9) didn't end World War II -- at least not quite. The six days between Nagasaki and Japan's surrender on Aug. 15 were six more hideous days of war for U.S. and allied forces. Combat -- and Japanese atrocities -- continued in China, the Philippines and Southeast Asia.

They were also six days of vicious political intrigue and turmoil in Tokyo, as the so-called "peace" and "war" factions in Japan's high command struggled for control of the state.

In his classic essay "Thank God for the Atom Bomb," Paul Fussell (World War II vet and National Book Award-winner) observes, "Allied (Pacific) casualties were running to over 7,000 per week." After Nagasaki, "captured American fliers were executed (heads chopped off); the U.S. submarine Bonefish was sunk (all aboard drowned); the destroyer Callaghan went down ... and the Destroyer Escort Underhill was lost."

Fussell scorns Harvard prof and insistent anti-nuclear-nit John Kenneth Galbraith's twaddle that the A-bombs accelerated Japan's surrender by (quoth Galbraith) "at most, two or three weeks."

Galbraith's estimate of Japan's resiliency is a typical figment of ivory tower fevers -- military calculations at the time suggested Japan would fight for another year. But even accepting Galbraith's breezy guess, three more weeks of war with Japan meant another 21,000 Allied killed and wounded. Fussell, a combat vet wounded while fighting the Nazis in Europe, was re-assigned to a division slated to assault the Japanese island of Honshu. Galbraith, Fussell says, "worked in the Office of Price Administration in Washington. I don't demand that he experience having his ass shot off. I merely note that he didn't."

Apparently, the moral facility to condemn the bomb is directly related to one's distance, in space and time, from actual combat.

Declaring that "Hiroshima was a war crime" has become an anti-American academic racket. One clique maintains Truman A-bombed "yellows" in order to impress Stalin. Truman was a calculating "racist-fascist." Such "opinions" deserve special damnation. They libel a genuine democratic populist and the president who desegregated the American armed forces.

Another clique absorbs itself in a debate over how "few" additional casualties the Allies would have borne had they invaded Japan sans A-bomb.

Many veterans find this argument morally repugnant. Assume, as the academic revisionists callously do, that there is some "X" number of additional GI and Japanese military and civilian deaths from "non-atom" warfare which is a "more morally acceptable loss" than 220,000 Japanese civilian and military killed by atom bombs. Who, 60 years on, can name that figure?

The critics' make much of a vague June 1945 estimate that the Kyushu assault would cost "only" 31,000 Allied casualties. This "best case" assumed the Japanese had 350,000 troops on Kyushu. In July 1945, the Imperial Army deployed 560,000 troops on the island. At least 5,000 kamikazes were available.

Okinawa, where 101,000 Japanese and 24,000 Americans died, confirmed in the minds of responsible Allied leaders the "worst case." Fanatic Japanese resistance was a battlefield fact. Truman speculated that atomic weapons may have saved the Allies another 500,000 dead and the Japanese at least twice that many.

A case can be made that nuclear weapons, since they represent a quantum boost in devastation, are different from "conventional" weapons. "Disproportionate destruction" suggests nukes are beyond the moral pale of Just War. This is a proposition worth debating, relevant during the Cold War, even more relevant in an era when religious terrorists seek weapons of mass destruction.

Truman's context, however, was World War II. Truman, like fellow veterans Presidents Eisenhower and Kennedy, knew that for the front-line soldier, "better them than us" is life and death immediacy, not a matter of academic rumination -- and Truman valued American lives over an enemy's.

The shock effect of the atom super-weapon on all but the most hardened of Japan's high command allowed Tokyo's "peace" faction to finesse the militarist, suicidal zealots and surrender. To heck with conjecture. This Japanese decision, goaded by The Bomb, put an end to the mutual slaughter.


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Japan; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 1945; atomic; bomb; cary; enola; japan; truman; usa; usaaf; wwii
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1 posted on 08/03/2005 1:18:33 PM PDT by F14 Pilot
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To: F14 Pilot

BTTT


2 posted on 08/03/2005 1:20:12 PM PDT by Fiddlstix (This Tagline for sale. (Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: F14 Pilot

I can think of a couple of other places that could use a good nuking right now...


3 posted on 08/03/2005 1:20:53 PM PDT by grobdriver (Let the embeds check the bodies!)
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To: F14 Pilot

bump


4 posted on 08/03/2005 1:21:19 PM PDT by Smogger
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To: F14 Pilot

Speaking of stats....Does anybody have WWII U.S. casualty figures broken down between the Pacific and European Theatres?


5 posted on 08/03/2005 1:24:39 PM PDT by Monterrosa-24 (Where is our Charles Martel? Who will be our hammer against Islam?)
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To: F14 Pilot

My Dad was a dive bomber pilot who went out to the Pacific in early '44 and fought in most of the major campaigns that year as a member of VB15 aboard the Essex. VB15 was rotated back to the States at the end of '44, and its (now) veteran pilots were scattered throughout new squadrons gearing up for the invasion of Japan. You would never have been able to convince Dad or any of his fellow pilots that there was anything the slightest bit wrong about dropping the Atomic Bomb. A lot of them got to live long lives as a result.


6 posted on 08/03/2005 1:28:41 PM PDT by blau993 (Labs for love; .357 for Security.)
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To: Monterrosa-24

We lost more than 300000 soldiers in both scenes and Atomic Bomb saved thousands of lives though


7 posted on 08/03/2005 1:30:00 PM PDT by F14 Pilot (Democracy is a process not a product)
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To: Fiddlstix
The Japanese ought to celebrate being bombed. No question the military cabal would not have capitulated. The war would have gone on for at least months. Remember that after Saipan was lost, there was a takeover of the military leadership by absolute die-hards that make Zarqawi look moderate.

Gen. Lemay would have continued to incinerate most of Japan. Millions of Japanese, weakened by starvation from war sanctions, were dying of dysentary/cholera. Last but not least, the Russians would have occupied and partitioned the northern half of Japan.

Russian invasion would have drastically altered their future for the worse and would have likely doomed the S Koreans.

The atom bomb was a blessing for all.

8 posted on 08/03/2005 1:39:03 PM PDT by gandalftb
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To: Fiddlstix

If the Japs hadn't bombed us at Pearl Harbor, we wouldn't have bombed them at Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Sow the whirlwind, reap the whirlwind.

(By Japs I don't mean any aspersion on the loyal Japanese Americans who were wrongly interned, nor especially those who fought and bled for their (our) country.)


11 posted on 08/03/2005 1:45:50 PM PDT by StrangerInParadise (Never Bring a Cock to a Grenade Fight.......)
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To: F14 Pilot

The atom bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki saved hundreds of thousands of lives, mostly Japanese civilian lives, although our own casualties would have been staggering in an invasion of the Home Islands. Whenever anyone tells me we should never have used these weapons, I laugh! Over one hundred thousand Japanese were killed in fire-bombing of Tokyo in one night. Another month of that would make Hiroshima and Nagasaki look like picnics. The intent was to end the war as quickly as possible, and Fat Man and Little Boy certainly achieved that. Truman may have done some htings wrong, but his decision here was right and maybe the most difficult any American President ever had to make.


12 posted on 08/03/2005 1:51:56 PM PDT by Rummyfan
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To: cuteconservativechick

Happy Birthday to you!!!


13 posted on 08/03/2005 1:58:04 PM PDT by Rummyfan
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To: F14 Pilot
You Wrote "We lost more than 300000 soldiers in both scenes and Atomic Bomb saved thousands of lives though"

A slight typo. The estimate was for the death of over 1,000,000 American military and over 10,000,000 Japanese if we had invaded. The Japanese civilians were told that the Americans would kill them and eat their children and they were told to fight to the last person standing, as they did on several Pacific Islands.

So the Bomb saved over 11,000,000 lives.
14 posted on 08/03/2005 1:59:35 PM PDT by YOUGOTIT
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To: Monterrosa-24

Good question. I tried to find a breakdown, but all the casualty numbers I found were lump sums.


15 posted on 08/03/2005 2:07:22 PM PDT by ABG(anybody but Gore) (Unleash Karl Rove!!!)
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To: F14 Pilot

And since the Atomic Bomb no industrialized nation has gone to war with another.

It is interesting to note that only the US could have created the atomic bomb. Only the US could afford to spend $2 billion 1942 dollars on it. Britain was broke. As for the Soviet Union they needed T-34's and Shturmoviks in the here and now more than an atomic bomb three years down the road. And who would have undertaken such a colossally expensive project in Stalin's Russia in any case ? Who would have dared suggest the idea to Stalin and make himself responsible for its success with his life ?


16 posted on 08/03/2005 2:08:54 PM PDT by Sam the Sham
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To: F14 Pilot; All

>>Declaring that "Hiroshima was a war crime" has become an anti-American academic racket.

Really? I think it was, and I'm proud to be an American.

(Army brat, Former Army Reservist).


17 posted on 08/03/2005 2:36:08 PM PDT by 1stFreedom (1)
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To: 1stFreedom

Given the history surrounding it's use, and I'm quite sure know it very well, why do you think it's use should be constituted a war crime?


18 posted on 08/03/2005 2:38:34 PM PDT by ShadowDancer (As for the types of comments I make,sometimes I just, By God,get carried away with my own eloquence.)
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To: ShadowDancer

Indiscriminate genocide is a crime against humanity. The A bombs were not the only incidents, and the US was not alone in commiting them.

There were alternatives, including laying siege to Japan via Naval blockade, but I guess the idea was to get it over with...

The A bomb is not something to thank God for.


19 posted on 08/03/2005 2:45:23 PM PDT by 1stFreedom (1)
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To: F14 Pilot

It should also be remembered that the Japanese populace was on the brink of starvation. If the US had been force to invade, the Japanese population would have begun to implode. It would not have mattered if our landings had been successful since the USAAC and the USN could have maintained the bombardment & distant blockade (out of range of Kamikaze attacks) indefinately. And the Japanese Manchurian Army would have been rounded up by the gentle Soviet forces, who I am sure would have shown them great tenderness.


20 posted on 08/03/2005 2:48:06 PM PDT by Tallguy
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