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To: Shalom Israel

Do your own research. I gave you a great start there in my post #48.


186 posted on 08/03/2005 9:46:35 AM PDT by summer
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To: summer
Do your own research. I gave you a great start there in my post #48.

That's called "shifting the burden of proof". But I understand why you had to do it: since there have never been cases of kidney damage from carb-restricted diets, you certainly couldn't just pony up the proof.

187 posted on 08/03/2005 9:48:22 AM PDT by Shalom Israel (Pray for the peace of Jerusalem.)
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To: summer

Problem with those articles is that the writers (and frequently the subjects of the articles) never got past the induction phase. Atkins isn't giving up carbs entirely, only for 2 weeks, after that the dieter is supposed to re-introduce a small controlled level of carbs into their diet. There is a danger in completely eliminating food groups for a prolonged period of time, but properly followed Atkins doesn't do that, some people (the quick fix junkies) do that but that's not the diet's fault that's their fault for not actually reading past chapter 1.


188 posted on 08/03/2005 9:54:02 AM PDT by discostu (When someone tries to kill you, you try to kill them right back)
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To: summer

Sweet cheeks,
I've worked in nutrition for over 25 years...

I've seen fads come and go. NO fad has had the viscious following like Atkins...I've heard the most rabid called Atkinazis (so true!). It doesn't matter what data or research you site, doesn't matter what questions you ask ...it will either be labeled "Junk Science", agenda driven or the sky is really purple and you're just callin' it blue.

My attitude is that Atkins is in hell roasting and toasting nicely. I'm seeing gobs of folks saying "but I lost 50 pounds and gained back 60 because I didn't stay with the cult, er diet!!" They're not getting the hormonal triggering effects of 'diet'. Or that the best long term weight loss results are in low fat/reduced calorie diets with the low CHO diets showing the worst long term resluts (but that's because they didn't get the it right!!...erm, that says a lot in itself doesn't it).

Plus, even those who SWEAR they are only getting 40 gms of CHO a day kinda fall apart under the scrutiny of a diet/ meal history or calorie count (nope chucky, there are 15 gms of CHO in those pita pockets not 5 and so forth).... so even the most militant lowcarbers are shocked to find the are eating the dreaded recommendations of 45-55%! (OH MY!)

I'm still seeing good results with folks following a 45- 55% complex carb diet--- especially diabetics, who use 'controlled' or 'counted' carbs, not low. Those on pumps do even better. Which, gee, is what we've been telling folks all along ;) Ya know, a varied diet, all things in moderation etc.

Time is on your side sweetie...so don't waste your energy. ;)


190 posted on 08/03/2005 10:03:09 AM PDT by najida (Today AC--- Now I'm living for ice cubes and a phone.)
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