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To: Alter Kaker

I was putting Mike's credentials up against your's, and he has graduate degrees in physics as a rocket scientist (engineer). He currently works on Tomahawk missiles.


55 posted on 08/03/2005 1:02:27 PM PDT by GarySpFc (Sneakypete, De Oppresso Liber)
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To: GarySpFc
I was putting Mike's credentials up against your's, and he has graduate degrees in physics as a rocket scientist (engineer). He currently works on Tomahawk missiles.

That's nice. I orbit satellites for the Israeli Government, and have a nice collection of advanced degrees. Remind me why I should listen to this putz about thermodynamics, let alone biology? Your authority sucks, as does your appeal to it.

61 posted on 08/03/2005 1:24:26 PM PDT by Alter Kaker (Whatever tears one may shed, in the end one always blows one’s nose.-Heine)
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To: GarySpFc; Alter Kaker; PatrickHenry
I was putting Mike's credentials up against your's, and he has graduate degrees in physics as a rocket scientist (engineer). He currently works on Tomahawk missiles.

That's sweet, but if he says that the laws of thermodynamics make evolution and other kinds of self-ordering processes impossible, he's still wrong.

What's especially funny about this bogus creationist argument is that if it *were* true, it would make INTELLIGENT DESIGN IMPOSSIBLE as well. Humans and other designers don't get to "break the law" (of physics) just because we can plan the things we do. If the laws of physics actually *did* make it impossible for order to arise on Earth, then it would be impossible for it to arise by ANY means, *including* conscious design.

It's either physically possible (i.e., allowed by laws of physics) or it's not. You can't have it both ways. Physical laws don't apply *only* to Mother Nature. They apply to *us*, and to all of our works, as well. That's why you can't build a perpetual-motion car which never needs gas, either, no matter how much "Intelligent Design" you try to apply to the task.

75 posted on 08/03/2005 3:10:27 PM PDT by Ichneumon
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